2015 NFL Draft Team Grades

These are 2015 NFL Draft Team Grades. I'll be posting them throughout Sunday. Follow @walterfootball for updates.

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  1. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: B+ Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: We all know by now that the Buccaneers plan on drafting Jameis Winston. With that in mind, their goal is simple: Build around by Winston by upgrading the offensive line and running back positions. Adding some better players on the defensive side of the ball, including a pass-rusher, is a must as well.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: The Buccaneers nearly accomplished everything they needed to. They drafted a quarterback, added two offensive linemen to protect their franchise signal-caller and then found some weapons for him. Tampa couldn't block whatsoever last year, but that shouldn't be the case this upcoming season.

    I like the actual players that the Buccaneers drafted, for the most part. In fact, my lowest grade, save for the seventh-rounder, came on the first selection, but you can read about my thoughts on Jameis Winston in my individual NFL Draft Grades page.

    Tampa's sole omission came in terms of finding a pass-rusher. They neglected to obtain someone who can get heat on the quarterback, which will hurt, given the types of signal-callers they have to go up against twice per season. However, this is more than just a 1-year rebuilding project, as I have the Buccaneers picking a defensive end in my 2016 NFL Mock Draft.

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  2. Tennessee Titans: A- Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: The Titans need to come out of this draft with an upgrade at quarterback, whether that's selecting Marcus Mariota with the second-overall pick or trading for someone like Philip Rivers or Sam Bradford. This team simply cannot go into the 2015 season with Zach Mettenberger as its starting quarterback. Tennessee also needs to bolster the offensive line and secondary.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: Drafting Mariota or trading for Rivers were the primary goals, and once the latter was unavailable, Tennessee's objective was clear; it had to select Mariota, barring a Herschel Walker-type trade offer. There are some who criticized the Titans for drafting Mariota solely because the owner wanted him, but that's far from the truth. Mariota was Tennessee's guy all along; in fact, the front office would've selected him over Jameis Winston.

    The Titans did a good job of adding talent around Mariota on Days 2 and 3. Dorial Green-Beckham was a strong acquisition in the second round; if it wasn't for his character concerns, he would've been a top-10 pick. Jeremiah Poutasi, meanwhile, should offer an upgrade at either guard or right tackle, both of which were problem areas. Later on, David Cobb was a nice value pick, as he'll challenge Bishop Sankey for the starting running back job.

    Tennessee had plenty of holes, so it was difficult to address them all. The secondary was completely neglected, and I felt like the fourth-rounder used on a fullback should've been spent on either a corner or a safety. But having said that, the Titans had an outstanding draft overall, and the fans should be excited about the team's future for the first time in a long while.

  3. Jacksonville Jaguars: A Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: Blake Bortles was the pick last year. The Jaguars now have to make sure he has all the tools he needs to develop. They have to obtain more upgrades on the offensive line as well as a better running back. Bolstering the defense (LEO, secondary) has to be done as well.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: I've often criticized David Caldwell in the past, but he deserves credit for what looks like an outstanding draft class. He addressed numerous needs with top available players, and as a consequence, the Jaguars will almost certainly be way more competitive this upcoming season.

    A few key selections were used on defense. Dante Fowler was taken No. 3 overall, and it was the right choice. Many thought the Jaguars would take Leonard Williams, the perceived top player in the draft, but as I've been writing for months, teams believed Williams to be overrated as far as the media was concerned. Fowler was Jacksonville's top prospect, and he'll bolster the pass rush out of Gus Bradley's key LEO position. Later on, James Sample was a bargain in the fourth, and he'll have a chance to secure a starting job early in his career. Michael Bennett was also a nice choice to upgrade the defensive front. Bennett, a third-round prospect, slipped to the sixth frame.

    The Jaguars did well to upgrade Bortles' supporting cast. T.J. Yeldon is going to actually make defenses worry about the run, unlike the plodding Toby Gerhart. A.J. Cann was one of the better guards in the class, and he'll add to the protection that Caldwell acquired this offseason. Rashad Greene, meanwhile, was a steal atop Round 5; he could've easily gone on Day 2.



  4. Oakland Raiders: C+ Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: Like the Jaguars, the Raiders need to add help to give their young quarterback the best chance to succeed. A No. 1 receiver, an upgrade on the offensive line and perhaps a running back should all be obtained. Defensive assistance is required as well.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: The Raiders spent three of their initial four selections on potential help for Carr. Amari Cooper, taken fourth overall, will give Carr a legitimate No. 1 receiver to throw to. Clive Walford seems like he'll be an upgrade at tight end. Jon Feliciano, meanwhile, could fill a need at guard, though he was a massive reach in Round 4.

    General manager Reggie McKenzie made minimal upgrades to his defense. Mario Edwards was added in the second round, but the big hole at linebacker was neglected until the fifth round, though I liked the Ben Heeney selection. Max Valles, meanwhile, could contribute as a rotational pass-rusher as a rookie.

    Overall, it just seems like something was missing from Oakland's draft. The team did improve itself, but outside of Cooper, I don't know if the organization added an impact player to its roster, as both Edwards and Feliciano were taken prematurely (especially the latter).

  5. Washington Redskins: C Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: Washington's priority is addressing its horrid secondary. Multiple upgrades are needed there. Beyond that, the team needs to bolster the offensive line and receiving corps, and also add some depth to the thin front seven.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: So much for addressing the horrid secondary. The Redskins didn't even touch its beleaguered defensive backfield until the 181st pick in the draft, when they reached for someone named Kyshoen Jarrett. I have no idea how the defense is going to contain any competent aerial attack this upcoming season.

    The Redskins made some nice picks, but were guilty of lots of reaches. It began early at No. 5 overall. Brandon Scherff was a fantastic guard prospect, but players at that position should not be selected in the top five, especially when talents like Leonard Williams and Vic Beasley are available. Scherff may play right tackle, but that's not the best fit for him. Meanwhile, the reach of Matt Jones at the bottom of the third frame was even more egregious. If Washington wanted a third-down back, it could have waited a few rounds. Why not select a cornerback or safety at that juncture?

    I liked two of Washington's picks. Preston Smith was a solid choice at No. 37, as he'll challenge Trent Murphy for the starting job across from Ryan Kerrigan. The other was Arie Kouandjio, who was a solid bargain in the fourth frame. He could start at guard on Day 1. However, these two picks weren't enough to save the Redskins' pedestrian draft haul.

  6. New York Jets: B- Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: The Jets should be targeting a trade up for Marcus Mariota because they desperately need a quarterback. If they fail to do so, adding play-makers and pass-rushers should be their priority.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: Like every other team that needed to move up for Marcus Mariota and failed to do so, the Jets will be downgraded accordingly. They ultimately found a quarterback in the fourth round in Bryce Petty, but that was a wasted pick. Petty does not have starting-caliber talent and will only be a backup, at best. The silver lining is that the Jets didn't use a second-rounder on him.

    The Jets did manage to use their first three picks on play-makers and pass-rushers. They were almost forced into picking Leonard Williams at No. 6, but that's not a bad thing because he was the best player available. Lorenzo Mauldin was a decent edge rusher found in the third, while Devin Smith was coveted by several teams in the middle of the second frame. He'll be a solid deep threat for whomever the Jets have at quarterback in 2016 and beyond.

    New York didn't draft a running back, but managed to trade for Zac Stacy, surrendering a seventh-round selection. The Jets barely gave anything up, so the swap was effectively pointless; I said "Yikes!" plenty of times while watching how poorly Stacy ran in 2014. He's not exactly the upgrade Geno Smith needed in the backfield, but that shouldn't spoil what was a fairly mediocre class.



  7. Chicago Bears: A- Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: The Bears should also be desperate to move up for Marcus Mariota. However, their chances aren't as likely because, well, why in the world would the Titans want a heartless bum quarterback? Chicago will finally replace Cutler next year - check out my 2016 NFL Mock Draft - but in the meantime, they'll need to add pieces for their new 3-4, as well as a receiver to replace Brandon Marshall and offensive linemen to have in place for their next quarterback.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: The Bears did indeed attempt to trade up for Mariota, but it was a hilarious, futile effort because they tried to include Cutler in the deal. Chicago would've had more luck offering dog poop to the Titans. After all, dog poop doesn't have nearly as high of a cap charge.

    All kidding aside, the Bears had a terrific initial draft under this new front office. They accomplished all of their realistic goals, beginning with finding a replacement for Brandon Marshall. Kevin White was the best player available at No. 7, so he was the clear-cut correct choice. Pieces for the 3-4 were added after that. Eddie Goldman is the nose tackle Vic Fangio needed, while Adrian Amos is an athletic safety who will be able to compete for a starting job right away.

    The Bears also found a couple of linemen for Cardale Jones, Christian Hackenberg, or whomever their next quarterback will be. Hroniss Grasu was the sort of replacement the Bears needed for the departed Roberto Garza at center, while guard Tayo Fabuluje was a solid value choice in the sixth round.

  8. Atlanta Falcons: B+ Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: The Falcons will be hoping that one of the top pass-rushers will fall to them at No. 8. They desperately need to improve their ability to get to the quarterback. Beyond that, upgrades are needed at tight end, running back, guard and safety.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: One of the top pass-rushers did indeed drop to the Falcons, as Vic Beasley was somehow available in the eighth spot. Mel Kiper and Todd McShay inexplicably forgot to place Beasley in the first round of their joint mock draft, but Beasley was certainly worth the eighth choice. In fact, it could've been argued that he belonged in the top five. The Falcons are going to greatly benefit from his ability to put heavy heat on opposing signal-callers.

    Atlanta upgraded one of the other three aforementioned positions, adding Tevin Coleman in the third round. Coleman could have easily gone in Round 2, so he was a bargain at that spot. Other quality picks include Justin Hardy and Grady Jarrett early on Day 3. Hardy will replace Harry Douglas, while Jarrett has terrific athleticism and tons of upside.

    My only issue with the Falcons' haul was their second-round pick. I don't really have a problem with Jalen Collins, but Atlanta had Maxx Williams just sitting there. Williams fit what they look for in terms of athletic players, and he definitely would have filled a huge need, yet the Falcons passed on him, allowing a smarter front office (Baltimore) to obtain him. I have a feeling the Falcons are going to be kicking themselves after watching Joe Flacco repeatedly fire passes to Williams over the middle of the field on third downs. Williams was exactly what Matt Ryan needed after losing Tony Gonzalez.

  9. New York Giants: B- Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: The Giants need to bolster the trenches. They're expected to target an offensive lineman at No. 9 if Amari Cooper doesn't fall to them. They'll also be looking to find help at both defensive end and defensive tackle. The safety position is an issue as well.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: Much like the so-called "greatest sports day evar!" the Giants' draft class was fine early, great in the middle and terrible at the end. They kicked it off by drafting Ereck Flowers, who will start at right tackle and eventually end up on the blind side after Will Beatty moves on. Flowers was a solid choice, but the Giants were hoping that their top options - Amari Cooper, Brandon Scherff - would fall to them. That didn't happen.

    New York was at its best on Day 2. The team solved its safety issue by obtaining Landon Collins. I'm not as crazy about Collins as some because of his coverage issues, but he'll be a force in run support. Owa Odighizuwa, meanwhile, was the Giants' top selection. Odighizuwa was generating some late-first-round buzz, so getting him in the middle stages of the third frame was a steal. He could start in a year or two.

    Just like the overhyped boxing match, Day 3 was a disappointment. The Giants reached for three prospects, including fifth-rounder Mykkele Thompson, whom I didn't have as a draftable prospect.

    Overall, New York had an average draft. It definitely could've been better, but as you'll see, there are teams who did far worse.



  10. St. Louis Rams: D+ Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: The Rams replaced their injury-prone quarterback with another one who gets hurt often (but not nearly as much). They absolutely need to make sure their offensive line is upgraded so that Nick Foles remains healthy. Various positions can be addressed as well, but the offensive line is key.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: I'm convinced that the Rams' front office was caught in a time vortex on Day 2 and believed that they were drafting in the seventh round. That's the only explanation I have for the second-day selections they made. Everyone wants to talk about the Todd Gurley pick, but the wasted opportunities in Rounds 2-3 is the story of the Rams' draft.

    Rob Havenstein was a late-round prospect. Jamon Brown was possible UDFA fodder. The Rams did look at big positions of need when selecting those two players, but they reached egregiously. I guess they were asleep during Senior Bowl practices when Havenstein was abused against almost every pass-rusher he went up against. And yet, he's still better than Brown!

    The Rams wasted many other choices as well. Sean Mannion won't be anything more than a backup. Andrew Donnal was just OK. The Bud Sasser choice could have been better. Bryce Hager was a nice pick-up in the middle of the seventh round, but that was too little, too late.

    I liked that St. Louis selected Gurley - one team called him "the next Jim Brown," so he'll have a huge impact on the offense when he gets healthy - but he won't be enough to offset all of the other poor selections the front office was guilty of.

  11. Minnesota Vikings: A Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: Receiver and cornerback are the two positions of greatest need. They'll both have to be addressed early. Elsewhere, the Vikings will have to consider a running back to replace Adrian Peterson, a left tackle for insurance, and a linebacker to improve the middle of the defense.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: The Vikings emerged from this weekend with one of the top classes in the 2015 NFL Draft. To quote an e-mailer who is 100-percent correct, the Vikings, quite simply, "killed it."

    Their initial selections were excellent. They obtained the top cornerback in the draft with the No. 11 pick, which seems like a theft, especially after hearing that he was drawing some consideration at the seventh pick. The Vikings also secured the best prospect at another position - inside linebacker. I don't know why Eric Kendricks was available in the middle of the second round, but Minnesota got a steal.

    Speaking of steals, T.J. Clemmings in the fourth qualifies as one. Even the teams that were down on Clemmings listed him as a third-rounder before his injuries came to light, so he was definitely a bargain early on Day 3. He could eventually emerge as the Vikings' starting left tackle. Not bad for a third-day selection!

    Other picks like Danielle Hunter and Stefon Diggs made a ton of sense, and Minnesota added lots of depth to its roster elsewhere. Viking fans have to be thrilled heading into what appears to be a promising 2015 campaign.

  12. Cleveland Browns: C- Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: It'll be an absolute disaster if the Browns go into the 2015 season with Josh McCown and Johnny Rehab as their two quarterbacks. They need to make a move up for Marcus Mariota. They also have to find weapons and blocking for Mariota, as well as some help on the offensive line.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: NFL Network listed the Browns as one of the options for the winner of the 2015 NFL Draft, and I can't understand why. The Browns screwed up on so many levels, beginning with their reluctance to trade up for Marcus Mariota. This was their one chance to finally obtain a franchise quarterback, yet they were too stingy to pull the trigger. They'll regret that decision.

    I have no problem with the Danny Shelton pick, but the Cameron Erving selection is baffling. The only reason Erving emerged as a first-round prospect was because of how well he played at center compared to the other positions. Yet, barring an injury to Alex Mack, Erving won't be able to play center in Cleveland. So, with that in mind, why did the Browns pick him in the first round? Did Ray Farmer not watch the appropriate film on him?

    I liked some of Cleveland's other selections like Xavier Cooper and Ibraheim Campbell, but they once again failed to find a play-maker. The one receiver they drafted was Vince Mayle. They took him in the fourth round, when he probably belonged in the fifth or sixth. Ifo Ekrpe-Olomu was an awesome final choice, but given the state of his problematic torn ACL, he may not be able to salvage what appears to be an underwhelming class.



  13. New Orleans Saints: B- Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: The Saints had a fire sale in free agency. They'll need to plug the holes they created (tight end, guard, receiver, linebacker) and also address the positions that already were major liabilities (edge rusher, cornerback).


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: New Orleans' first three selections were underwhelming. Andrus Peat, while being a solid prospect, didn't fill one of the huge needs I listed above, though perhaps it'll allow one of the current tackles to move inside. Stephone Anthony was a bit of a reach. Hau'oli Kikaha, meanwhile, carries a major injury risk. While I was a bit harsh in the individual grade, the fact remains that some teams had him off their board because of the medical. Perhaps the Saints will be right on Kikaha, and if so, he should be a good pro, but he was too much of a gamble in the second round as far as I'm concerned.

    I liked the Saints' draft after that. Their next three picks - P.J. Williams, Davis Tull, Tyeler Davison - all filled needs while provided solid value for where they were chosen. The final two selections weren't bad either.

    In summary, New Orleans filled 3-4 of the six needs I listed above, neglecting tight end and receiver. The roster as a whole is a bit better after the 2015 NFL Draft, but the team's haul could have been better.

  14. Miami Dolphins: B Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: The Vikings and Dolphins have very similar goals. They both need a receiver and a cornerback, but instead of a left tackle and a running back, Miami has to find a guard and a safety.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: The Dolphins came away from the draft with a solid class. Its two best picks will help the offense. DeVante Parker was a mini-steal at No. 14, as he was being discussed as a possibility for the Rams (10th), Vikings (11th) and Browns (12th). He can't possibly have worse chemistry with Ryan Tannehill than Mike Wallace did as the team's No. 1 receiver. The other top selection was Jay Ajayi in the fifth round. Ajayi would have gone in the second frame if his knee wasn't "bone on bone," as Mike Mayock described it. If he can get over that issue, he has the ability to emerge as Miami's starting running back.

    One area in which the Dolphins disappointed was their inability to find help in the secondary. They waited until the fifth round to take their initial defensive back. I would have gone with a corner or a safety in the second frame instead of the overhyped Jordan Phillips.

    Miami had what seemed like a thousand fifth-round choices, and it may have hit on most of them. After Ajayi, the best of the bunch seems like Tony Lippett, who can play both receiver and cornerback. I imagine the Dolphins will be using him at the latter position, given their huge need there.

  15. San Francisco 49ers: D Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: The 49ers have had a disastrous offseason, losing players left and right because of free agency and retirement. They have so many holes on their roster that they basically have to select the best player available at every juncture.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: So much for taking the best player available. The 49ers selected a second-round prospect in the middle of the first, a fringe Day 2 talent early on Friday, a punter in the fifth round and an undraftable player in the sixth.

    I can't imagine how frustrated and upset logical 49er fans must be right now. Fifteen months ago, San Francisco was in Super Bowl contention, thanks to a loaded roster and a top-three NFL head coach. Trent Baalke has ruined everything, exiling Jim Harbaugh, chasing away skilled veterans into retirement and free agency, and failing to find proper replacements for his departed talents. The 49ers are going to be one of the worst teams in the league in 2015, and this draft class barely did anything to help.

    There's one thing saving the 49ers from a dreaded Millen grade. That would be Eli Harold, who was a steal in the third round. Discussed as a late-first-round possibility, Harold could eventually start at outside linebacker. However, he may not see much action this season because of what the team already has at the position.

  16. Houston Texans: A- Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: I've slotted Todd Gurley in my 2015 NFL Mock Draft for a while now. Some haven't understood it, but Gurley will probably be the pick if he's available at No. 16. The Texans have no quarterback, so they need to make sure they run the ball as well as possible. Arian Foster is injury-prone, so Gurley would give Houston great insurance. Elsewhere, the team needs to add to the receiving and linebacking corps, as well as the secondary.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: The medical reports on Todd Gurley were so positive that there was no way he was going to last until No. 16. The Texans were fine with that because they were able to obtain the No. 2 player on their realistic draft board for the 16th pick, Kevin Johnson. The tall Wake corner was generating a ton of buzz heading into the draft, as multiple teams told us to move him into the top 16 of our mock drafts. Johnson will start across from Kareem Jackson in 2016 and beyond, and he'll provide needed depth this season.

    The Texans traded up for a pair of players on Day 2. I'm normally not a fan of teams moving up, but both of Houston's transactions made a ton of sense. The team coveted Benardrick McKinney, but he was not going to fall to them. Viewed by some as the No. 1 inside linebacker in this class, McKinney will be able to displace the disappointing Brian Cushing. Jaelen Strong, meanwhile, was an absolute steal in the third round, given that he was considered to be a fringe first-day prospect. He could emerge as the No. 2 receiver as a rookie.

    Despite these two deals, the Texans still had four selections on Day 3. The best one was Christian Covington, who was a bargain in the seventh round. I wasn't a fan of the team's third-day choices before that, however.

    Overall, I really liked what Houston did in the draft. The team filled its biggest needs with talented players, and it'll be better in 2015 as a result. Now, if only the Texans had a quarterback...



  17. San Diego Chargers: C+ Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: The Chargers could trade Philip Rivers for Marcus Mariota. Regardless, they need to upgrade the offensive line and running back stable for whichever quarterback is starting for them next year. Another running back, pass-rusher and cornerback are needed as well.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: The Chargers are the only Marcus Mariota-eligible team that won't be downgraded for not trading for him. That's because they still have an awesome signal-caller in Philip Rivers. It's still questionable whether Rivers will make the dreaded move to Los Angeles - former teammate LaDainian Tomlinson called Rivers' retirement threats "very valid" - but San Diego will at least have great quarterbacking play in 2015.

    The Chargers made sure to give Rivers a weapon, selecting Melvin Gordon in the first round. I discussed in my NFL Draft Grades page why trading up for him was unnecessary, but the fact remains that San Diego now has a Jamaal Charles clone in its backfield. If he lives up to the hype, Gordon will help the Chargers' offense immeasurably.

    San Diego had just four other picks because of the trade, and it was a mixed bag. I liked the Denzel Perryman and Kyle Emanuel selections, but Craig Mager was a reach, though he did potentially fill a need for cornerback depth.

    The Chargers came away from this draft with a couple of decent potential starters next season in Gordon and Perryman, but I wasn't a major fan of the class because the front office neglected the offensive line entirely. Rivers struggled last year because of pass-protection issues, and those now figure to linger in 2015.

  18. Kansas City Chiefs: C+ Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: Kansas City's offensive ineptitude must be addressed. Receivers need to score touchdowns, so an upgrade across from Jeremy Maclin has to be obtained. Help on the offensive line would allow Alex Smith to have time to find these wideouts. Elsewhere, the inside linebacker, cornerback and safety positions need to be bolstered.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: The Chiefs did indeed fill needs with their first three picks, but they did so in risky and/or disappointing fashion. First-rounder Marcus Peters was the gamble. Andy Reid visited Peters' hometown during the pre-draft process to dig up information on the former Washington cornerback, so it's safe to assume he liked what he saw. However, Reid has taken chances on players with character issues before, and it has backfired. Peters will be a huge upgrade at corner if he pans out, but he could just as easily quit on the team. After that, Mitch Morse and Chris Conley both made sense, but they were slight reaches. The former should be able to start this upcoming season, but only because the offensive line is in terrible shape. Conley, however, is a project.

    I liked the Chiefs' picks after that, for the most part. Their next two selections, Steve Nelson and Ramik Wilson, were solid values who filled needs. Kansas City made no terrible choices on Day 3.

    The Chiefs' goal entering the 2015 NFL Draft was to find help to bolster their offense. Unfortunately, they didn't do enough. Morse will help, but Conley is so raw that he may not be able to play as a rookie. No other receivers of note were added, and there weren't enough upgrades made on the offensive line.

  19. Buffalo Bills: B- Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: With no first-round pick, it'll be difficult for the Bills to make a big splash in the draft. They'll have to think about adding a young quarterback, but otherwise spending their other picks on the best players available.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: Many expected the Bills to draft Bryce Petty, especially after they met with him the week of the draft. Fortunately for them, they weren't duped into the media hype surrounding the Baylor quarterback; some teams had an undrafted grade on him, so taking him at No. 50 would have been disastrous.

    Buffalo's 50th-overall pick was much better, as they took a cornerback in Ronald Darby, who figures to enter the lineup in 2016. Darby was one of the three Florida State products the Bills selected. I wasn't a fan of the Karlos Williams choice, but Nick O'Leary was a steal in the sixth round.

    The rest of the Bills' class ended up being a mixed bag. John Miller figures to help at guard, but he was taken a bit prematurely. Tony Steward was just a "meh" pick, as he'll be just a special-teamer. On the other hand, Dezmin Lewis, viewed by some as the next Cecil Shorts, could be an even greater steal in the seventh than O'Leary was one round earlier.

  20. Philadelphia Eagles: C+ Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: Could all of Philadelphia's maneuvering in the offseason been to move up for Marcus Mariota? Trade proposals have been discussed, as you can see on the Marcus Mariota Trade Page. Unless the Eagles are asked to actually mortgage their future, they should make a move for Mariota, as the injury-prone Sam Bradford is not a good fit in Chip Kelly's offense. At any rate, Philadelphia has to bolster its secondary and receiving corps in addition to trading up.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: It's fair to question Kelly's strategy. He acquired an injury-prone quarterback who probably won't be able to make it through the 2015 season instead of a superior signal-caller who would be a terrific fit in his offense. Even if Sam Bradford somehow stays healthy in 2015, what if he signs a big contract as a result and then tears his ACL prior to the 2016 campaign? It's a very realistic scenario. The Eagles should've done everything in their power to trade for Mariota, but they simply did not do enough.

    Having said that, Philadelphia's draft class wasn't a disaster. Nelson Agholor was a slight reach at No. 20, but he should be able to start this upcoming season. Eric Rowe, meanwhile, was a better choice. He fits perfectly into the Eagles' defense, and he's versatile enough to play either cornerback or safety.

    Curiously, Agholor and Rowe were the only Pac-12 prospects Kelly acquired. But that doesn't mean the picks were better. Jordan Hicks, the third-rounder, was a slight reach and didn't fill a need. JaCorey Shepherd, meanwhile, doesn't fit what the Eagles want from a size and athletic standpoint.

    Philadelphia helped itself a bit in this draft, but it could have done much better - even without trading for Mariota. But as mentioned, any team that needed to trade up for Mariota and failed to do so will be penalized in the overall grade.

  21. Cincinnati Bengals: C+ Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: A weapon for Andy Dalton is needed, but the Bengals' biggest concern is the defensive line. Both the end and tackle positions must be addressed. The linebacking corps should be looked into as well.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: The Bengals addressed the trenches - but they took players on the wrong side of the line of scrimmage. They apparently don't believe that Andrew Whitworth and Andre Smith will be on the roster in 2016 and beyond, as they selected a pair of offensive tackles with their first two picks. The Jake Fisher choice made sense, given how much of a value he was in the middle of the second round. However, Cedric Ogbuehi was a major reach. Some teams we spoke to had a third-round grade on him.

    Cincinnati made a few quality picks after that, including Paul Dawson, who wouldn't have been a reach had he snuck into the second round. I also like Josh Shaw, a talented defensive back who dropped because of character issues that don't sound too terrible.

    Marcus Hardison was also a good option at the end of Round 4, but he was the first defensive lineman Cincinnati selected. This was a big problem area last year, and it appears as though the Bengals will once again struggle to put pressure on opposing quarterbacks in 2015. Cincinnati also failed to acquire a weapon for Dalton, so the offense will continue to sputter against playoff-caliber defenses.

  22. Pittsburgh Steelers: A- Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: The Steelers will do what they usually do. They'll wait for the best-available players to drop to them. I imagine they'll be able to land someone like Randy Gregory, Shane Ray or Landon Collins at No. 22. That'll allow them to address the cornerback position a bit later.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: It's amazing how, year after year, the Steelers manage to land a talented prospect who falls to them. I initially thought it would be Landon Collins, but then shifted my focus to either Randy Gregory or Shane Ray. At least I had the right position; I did not expect Alvin Dupree to be available. His fall was bizarre to watch. Sure, he's a bit raw, but his athleticism and upside are off the charts. The Steelers managed to obtain a player who could be a monstrous pass rusher in two seasons.

    Many of Pittsburgh's other selections were solid. Third-rounder Sammie Coates was a steal, as he was once discussed as a potential first-round prospect. Cornerback Doran Grant also provided good value in the fourth frame. The next three choices - Jesse James, Leterrius Walton and Anthony Chickillo - filled needs and addressed holes on the roster, and they all could have gone earlier than where they were selected.

    The one blemish in the Steelers' class was second-rounder Senquez Golson, whom I had in the fifth frame. Golson doesn't fit the size and athletic prerequisites for Pittsburgh's secondary, so the selection was curious. But outside of that, the Steelers had an excellent draft.

  23. Detroit Lions: B+ Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: The Lions lost both Ndamukong Suh and Nick Fairley this offseason, so they'll obviously have to replenish the defensive tackle position. Other priorities include finding a lead running back and upgrading the right tackle spot.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: The Lions didn't manage to find potential help at right tackle until late in the draft, but they did address other positions of need early on. They managed to obtain a stout guard after trading down in the first round. While Laken Tomlinson was a bit of a reach, I liked that the Lions at least added some other picks before selecting him.

    Detroit's two second-day selections provided more value. Ameer Abdullah, who will replace Reggie Bush as a speedy complement to Joique Bell, could have been taken in the first half of Round 2. Alex Carter, meanwhile, was also a second-round prospect who was obtained in the bottom half of the following frame. He should be able to take Rashean Mathis' spot once the veteran corner moves on.

    The Lions made some value picks on Saturday, namely the aforementioned right tackle. Corey Robinson was a mega steal in Round 7, as I actually had Detroit selecting him with the 88th-overall choice. Any seventh-rounder is a long shot to make the roster in his first year, but perhaps Robinson will have a good chance because he could have been taken earlier.

    This was a quality draft for Detroit. The team improved the offensive line, found a weapon for Matthew Stafford and managed to get help for the secondary. Even the defensive tackle position was addressed in the fourth round via Gabe Wright, who was also a solid pick.

  24. Arizona Cardinals: B- Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: The Cardinals have to find some replacements for players they've lost recently, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. Cornerback, inside linebacker, defensive end and rush linebacker are all positions that need to be addressed. On offense, another running back has to be acquired because Andre Ellington can't carry the load himself.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: FOX Sports' Mike Jurecki said all along that right tackle was a sleeper option for the Cardinals, and surely enough, that's the direction they went when D.J. Humphries dropped to them at No. 24. Humphries was a solid pick, as he'll displace Bobbie Massie, who was responsible for Carson Palmer's injury last year.

    The Cardinals addressed many of their needs after that. They nabbed a pair of pass-rushers in Markus Golden and Shaquille Riddick, though the former was a slight reach at the end of the second frame. Running back David Johnson was a much greater value toward the end of the next round. He projects as a perfect complement for Ellington.

    I liked most of Arizona's draft, but I had a couple of issues with it. First, Rodney Gunter was a major reach in the fourth round. Also, the Cardinals failed to upgrade the secondary and inside linebacker positions. They've had immense problems covering tight ends, and now they'll have to deal with Jimmy Graham twice per season. Their reluctance to add to the linebacking corps could prove to be costly, and it's the primary reason why this grade is not in the B+ range.

  25. Carolina Panthers: D Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: It's well known which two positions the Panthers have to address in the draft: receiver and offensive tackle. They do have other needs, though. A third linebacker, an upgrade at safety and another running back have to be acquired.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: I slotted Shaq Thompson to the Panthers at No. 25 in one of my final mock drafts because I knew they liked him, but I ultimately made the decision to move him to Carolina's pick in the second round because I thought he was too much of a reach with the 25th-overall choice. Other teams we spoke to felt the same way, slotting Thompson in the second frame. Thus, it's apparent the Panthers reached for him. Thompson doesn't have a truly defined position in the NFL, so using a first-rounder on him is a curious move.

    Having said that, taking Thompson at No. 25 was brilliant compared to what happened next. The Panthers dealt multiple picks to move up for Devin Funchess, another player who doesn't have a real position. Funchess is too small to be a tight end and too slow to be a receiver, so where does he fit in? He was expected to slide, so if the Panthers truly coveted him, they could have obtained him (or a similarly talented receiver/tight end) with their own selection in the second round. Taking a major reach is bad enough; using multiple resources to do so is beyond disastrous.

    Two of Carolina's third-day selections salvaged this grade from being a Millen. Daryl Williams was a nice bargain pick and could end up starting, while Cameron Artis-Payne provided great value in Round 6. However, neither prospect is good enough to offset what transpired earlier, as well as the fact that the Panthers made only one upgrade to their beleaguered offensive line.

  26. Baltimore Ravens: A+ Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: There are numerous positions the Ravens are expected to address, including receiver, cornerback, tight end, running back, edge rusher and defensive end. The first two in that list are top priorities, but I'm sure that Ozzie Newsome, one of the top general managers in the NFL, is well aware of that.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: It's no surprise that the Ravens came away with one of this year's best draft classes. Their first pick was just OK; Breshad Perriman was an overhyped prospect heading into the 2015 NFL Draft, but the No. 26 spot was about right for him. The Ravens, however, were able to win with numerous other selections.

    Newsome landed a pair of steals on Day 2. Maxx Williams, who had a chance to go late in the first round, somehow slipped all the way to No 55. He'll be a dependable weapon for Joe Flacco over the middle of the field. The next selection, Carl Davis, also was discussed as a Thursday possibility, but fell because he interviewed poorly at the Senior Bowl and Combine. Nevertheless, he provided enormous value at the end of the third frame as a replacement for Haloti Ngata.

    The Ravens made numerous quality choices on Saturday, namely Robert Myers, whom I had mocked to Baltimore a round before he was actually chosen. As a result of all of these selections, Newsome was able to address every single position I listed on the team's need list. It's clearer than ever that he's the top general manager in the NFL.

  27. Dallas Cowboys: B+ Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: Many expect the Cowboys to go defensive tackle at No. 27, but that's unlikely to happen because the team doesn't value the one-technique position very much. Dallas could upgrade that position later. In the meantime, cornerback and safety will be looked at early on.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: I received an e-mail from a Cowboy fan who was concerned about the Byron Jones selection, wondering if it was wise that Dallas took a "late-round prospect" in the first frame because of his Combine performance. Jones is more than just a workout warrior; teams considered him to be a second-round prospect prior to his Combine, so the bump up to No. 27 makes sense. Jones also fills a glaring need in the secondary.

    Of course, the big story regarding Dallas' draft class is Randy Gregory. I mocked Gregory to the Cowboys in the first round because I was aware that they liked him. I would've been OK with him at No. 27, but there's no denying that getting him at the end of the second round is a steal. Gregory has major issues beyond his positive drug test, but he would've been a top-five pick had he been clean off the field. He was absolutely worth the gamble with the 60th-overall selection.

    Other Cowboys' selections weren't discussed as much, but the front office made some wise decisions. Swing tackle Chaz Green was one of Charlie's sleeper picks; Damien Wilson figures to be a quality linebacker for Dallas going forward; while Laurence Gibson was a steal in the final round.

    Dallas has improved its drafting ability ever since Jerry Jones relinquished some control. The team has made major strides out of mediocrity as a consequence, and it figures to be even better in the near future because of the players acquired in this draft.

  28. Denver Broncos: B Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: Peyton Manning doesn't have much time left in this league, so the Broncos have to do everything in their power to surround him with the best talent available so that they can win a Super Bowl in the next year or two. At the same time, however, I wouldn't be surprised if Denver uses a second-day choice on a signal-caller to eventually replace Manning.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: Did the Broncos do "everything in their power" to surround Manning with the pieces for a final Super Bowl run? It sure seems as though they tried to. I liked that they moved up for Shane Ray at the end of the first round. Ray may not have made it to their pick, so the trade was necessary. He'll be a future starter once DeMarcus Ware moves on, but his primary function right away will be providing needed depth at outside linebacker.

    Most of Denver's other choices were solid choices. Jeff Heuerman, Max Garcia and Lorenzo Doss all fit the range and addressed positions of need that Denver had on its roster. Heuerman and Garcia have a shot to start as rookies.

    The one pick of John Elway's that I didn't like very much was Ty Sambrailo in the second round. He also fills a need, but happened to be a reach. However, that one blemish won't be enough to move Denver out of the solid "B" range for its overall grade.

  29. Indianapolis Colts: C Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: The Colts have done a good job of upgrading their roster this offseason, but two areas of concern still remain: the secondary and offensive line. Protecting Andrew Luck is paramount, while being able to actually stop Tom Brady is obviously important as well.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: Indianapolis managed to add to its secondary, but the front office must not have been as concerned about the offensive line. It didn't address that area until the penultimate pick of the draft when the team took a prospect from the fake Boris College... I mean, Mars Hill.

    I don't understand this. Having a cerebral, mobile quarterback like Andrew Luck allows for some leeway in terms of maintaining the offensive line, but Luck does need some help. Indianapolis could have used its first-round selection on a blocker, but instead chose Phillip Dorsett, who may not be able to contribute this season because of the depth at receiver. The Colts are ready to win now, so stashing a wideout, albeit a talented one, doesn't seem like the most logical move.

    The Colts' next three choices made sense, as two of them addressed the struggling secondary, while a third bolstered the defensive front line. I also liked the Josh Robinson pick in Round 6. He'll have a chance to see playing time as a rookie.


    Unfortunately, Indianapolis made some other questionable picks on Day 3. A couple were reaches, like David Parry and Amarlo Herrera. It would've been one thing had the Colts reached on blockers for Luck, but they curiously neglected that area of their roster.

  30. Green Bay Packers: B Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: The Packers lost several cornerbacks in free agency this offseason, so that is a position that will have to be remedied. However, the inside linebacker spot remains the greatest priority, as it's not exactly ideal to have Clay Matthews playing there.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: I wrote that inside linebacker was the team's greatest priority, but Ted Thompson apparently disagreed, as he ignored that position until the fourth round. Instead, he spent his first two selections on the troubled secondary. I can't exactly blame him; after all of the departures Green Bay incurred there, it was an area that absolutely had to be addressed. Thompson did well, taking two players who fit the range.

    The inside linebacker Thompson acquired is a solid one; Jake Ryan could have been taken in the third frame without any complaints. He may not start right away, but he should be able to eventually push Clay Matthews back outside. Of course, the "biggest" name Green Bay took came in the following round when it grabbed Brett Hundley. I loved the pick; Hundley doesn't know how to play quarterback yet, but has first-round physical talent. The Packers could develop him and flip him for a second-round choice in the future. In the meantime, Hundley won't be a terrible option if Aaron Rodgers gets hurt again.

    The Packers usually draft well, and this year doesn't appear to be any different. I would have gone in another direction with some of their picks - Ty Montgomery, a couple seventh-rounders - but Green Bay had a solid haul overall.

  31. Seattle Seahawks: B Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: The Seahawks traded their first-round pick for Jimmy Graham, so they'll use their other picks to bolster the trenches. Upgrades are needed on both the offensive and defensive lines, and the secondary and linebacking corps need to be addressed as well.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: Seattle did indeed make a concerted effort to improve the trenches by spending five of their eight selections - including three of their first four - on offensive and defensive linemen. The team wanted Ali Marpet at the end of Round 2, but the Buccaneers moved ahead of them and snatched him off the board. This forced the Seahawks into taking Frank Clark perhaps a bit prematurely. Clark has close to first-round talent, but carries some major character concerns. The Seahawks have been rewarded for taking chances on troubled players before, so Clark could work out for them as a talented pass-rusher.

    Two offensive linemen were taken in the fourth round - Terry Poole, Mark Glowinski - and they were both solid choices who could make an impact this year. Some athletic pass-rushers were added late, which should come as no surprise to anyone familiar with Seattle's successful draft strategy.

    The Seahawks' other picks made sense; they obtained some help at receiver and an athletic, tall cornerback. Once again, Seahawk fans should be familiar with this sort of draft planning.

    Overall, Seattle did well. Nothing really stood out as spectacular, thanks in part to there being no first-round pick, but the front office once again did a decent job of upgrading the roster.

  32. New England Patriots: C+ Grade
    Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: Will Bill Belichick continue to draft Urban Meyer-coached players and prospects from both Rutgers and Florida State, or will he go out of his comfort zone for once? Either way, the Patriots have to upgrade the offensive line so that Tom Brady's protection is better next year. Replacements for Vince Wilfork and Darrelle Revis must be acquired as well.


    2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: The Patriots addressed two of the three areas they had to improve entering the 2015 NFL Draft. One came immediately when they selected Malcom Brown with the final pick of the opening round. Wilfork's departure created a massive hole at nose tackle, which Brown should be able to fill right away. A replacement for Revis, however, was not found; New England didn't even draft a cornerback until No. 247 overall.

    The other spot the Patriots fixed was the offensive line. They didn't take care of that massive need early, but they used a pair of fourth-round choices on versatile, interior linemen. Tre' Jackson and Shaq Mason both have a chance to start as rookies, and they should offer better protection than Brady had this past season.

    This mostly seems great for New England thus far, but the team was guilty of some questionable selections. Both day-two picks were major reaches. Jordan Richards, chosen in the second frame, was considered a Day 3 option. The same could be said for third-rounder Geneo Grissom. The Patriots made up for it with some quality prospects like Trey Flowers, but those two blemishes, as well as the long-snapper pick, simply cannot be overlooked.

    Stay tuned for my 2016 NFL Mock Draft, which will be updated on Tuesday. Charlie will be posting his tomorrow.

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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 9 day(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

I guess there were more irrational and desperate comments you wanted to throw at me.  8 to be exact.

1. Yet again your ego never ceases to amaze me.  I say that because it is how I truly feel, and it has nothing to do with what you said.  But go ahead, keep on thinking that. I don't care, your so full of yourself you won't allow yourself to think anything else anyway.

2. As for you never calling out Walt for some occasional Steeler bashing, you don't even believe that, and it's obvious that you're lying.  You can call pointing out your hypocrisies "reaching" if you want, it only points more towards your inability to argue.

3. I called you a terrible person based on all the evidence, that's all.  When you act like a terrible person, you're going to be called that.  Change your general attitude then maybe people will stop calling you that.  Pretty simple.

4. Nice contradiction.  First you say you didn't call Walt under qualified, then in the very next sentence you say that he is not qualified?  Tell me, if he is not qualified {based on your flawed logic and incredible reach} then how is he not under qualified?  

5. Just proving me right about the "terrible person" remark that so obviously touched a nerve with you, probably because its not the first time you've been defined as such.  Classless bashing with witless remarks are not the acts of a good person.  A lot of the comments here are largely subjective and to be so disrespectful to basically everyone just speaks to your character.

6. LOL irrelevant.  It totally tears apart your argument, so naturally you would arbitrarily label it as "irrelevant."  It doesn't negate what I said at all.  Just because Johnson was one of the first backs I looked up it doesn't mean I looked up others afterwards.  Besides, I never said I I only looked up Johnson and nobody else.  All I said was after I saw him play I knew he would be one of the better ones, then after looking up an ample amount of others my belief was solidified.  So congrats on misquoting and being wrong.  Again.

7. Actually my first reply was 7 days ago to your comment that was 9 days ago, so nice lie.  I apologize for the hiatus of my last comment, I'm sure you've been awaiting eagerly for my response due to the alarmingly large amount free time you have.  I just wish I could see the look on your dopey little face as you sit there in anticipation lol.  Keep thinking about me!

8. I wasn't hurt at all by that comment, but if it helps your ego to tell yourself that you have that big of an influence on people who don't respect you at all {i.e. me} then go ahead, whom am I to get in the way of that.  I was just tired of you bringing that up to distract yourself from the verbal beat down I'm giving you {and you still bring it up! Amazing.}, so I decided to change pseudonyms in the hopes that you would stay relevant in regards to the argument, but I was foolish to think you would do that. 

There.  Served again.  I can only hope that this ignorant display is just a facade and you're only being this flagrantly ignorant and wrong because you are too full of yourself or proud {for some reason} to admit when you've been beat.  Keep on swinging and missing {OH a common expression, have you ever said that before?  If you did then I must be plagiarizing lol.  Please learn what plagiarizing means before you use it in an argument to prevent further embarrassment}.  And btw I will keep laughing at you!  That's the first correct thing you've said this whole time!

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Someone with a life (Anonymous Poster)
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@royale with cheese Get a life!
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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
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@royale with cheese Eww. Served again. I can't believe you're still at it with that humiliating gag. The returns have officially diminished to nothing, so this will be my last reply to you. It's obvious that you are simply not intelligent enough to debate on the simplest of subjects. You can't tell the difference between stating that someone is unqualified to make a specific statement and that someone is unqualified to do a job. Your problem, not mine. You don't know the meaning of the word "best." You can't see your own internal logical flaws when stating that you only need to see a player's film in isolation to say that he's one of the best playmakers available. You think plagiarism is simply the repeating of random words, rather than the wholesale theft of phrases (what a surprise, the "process server" doesn't have an education!).

Here's what it all comes down to: you were deeply hurt and embarrassed when I pointed out how absolutely stupid your "process server" gag was, refused two different apologies, and have gone off on several rants without a single original thought based on that initial hurt. I say this with complete sincerity: you are not a respectable person, you have not displayed a single shred of intellect, and you are a person of astonishing emotional fragility. Seek help. I'm done here.

And yes: I've dealt with enough trolls to understand how you've rigged the game. When someone replies, you claim victory because they're engaging with you. When they don't, you claim victory when the stop because clearly they must know they've lost. I know the drill. Do what you have to do. I wish you all the best with the limited capabilities and enormous fragilities you've been cursed with.

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Rational J (Anonymous Poster)
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@Robert K  Girls aren't attracted to you, are they?
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
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@Robert K 

Thank you again Robert K.  The fact that you don't think I'm a respectable person must mean I am a pretty good guy.  Man I must have really got under your skin for you to throw that many insults at me without refuting any of my points at all.  Man I must have really pissed you off!  Take this as a lesson to never get into an argument with someone who is smarter than you, you'll just end up embarrassing yourself.  

Thanks for the laughs Robert K!  Hope you've learned from this verbal beat down I've been more than happy to give you!

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Vikes167 (Anonymous Poster)
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Did this guy just Clemmings could start at LT? it'd be a huge miracle, because he won't even be in competition/playing LT, rather he will be competing with David Yankey to play LG. Though I must say i am surprised, a lot of people aren't hating the Vikes class like they do every year. another thing, Don't doubt Bryce Petty, that was a brilliant pick by the Jets, he can develop into a solid starter
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Rational J (Anonymous Poster)
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@Vikes167   Actually, you couldn't possibly be more wrong- Bryce Petty is Brandon Weeden 2.0 and will stink.
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ChuckD (Anonymous Poster)
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You are such a Steeler homer! You contradict yourself consistently to give the Squelaers high draft grades, then give other teams like the Browns lower draft grades for VERY GOOD players! SMDH!! People who have been paid a lot more than you to evaluate NFL talent have graded the Browns Draft as the second best of the year, but you give them a C-.... That's comical; and totally kills your credibility! But Browns fans have known for years you have serious bias issues when it come to the AFC North in general; and specifically the Browns.
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Rational J (Anonymous Poster)
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@ChuckD   Yes, yes- who could possibly take issue with anything the vaunted Browns front office does?  Things have gone so swimmingly for you these last 15 years!  But I'm sure THIS draft class (like every one before it this time of year) is going to turn things around for the downtrodden Clevelanders.  I imagine Cleveland is a real-life version of that city in the movie "Idiocracy".   
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Bengals Fan (Anonymous Poster)
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I think you overlooked some points when grading the Bengals. The biggest points being the missing players from last year due to injury and free agency. Eiffert and Marvin Jones missed almost the whole year and Green missed a lot of time near the end so just getting them back is a major boost to the offence. Also Geno was recovering, he under performed but there is reason to hope a whole off season of strengthening will change that and they now have Johnson back where he played awesome a couple years ago. These points are most likely why the Bengals didn't feel the need to burn draft picks at these positions but rather build in positions they had the luxury to upgrade. I appreciate your analysis it just seems like this rating is a little lazy. 
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Bengals Fan (Anonymous Poster)
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@Bengals Fan Walt I would like to hear your opinion on this if you get the time.
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Rational J (Anonymous Poster)
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@Bengals Fan  Clearly Walt DGAF what you think and pining for his approval is incredibly sad.
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 16 day(s) ago - hide

Also, perhaps u should choose to actually read my quotes that you chose.  In one quote I say some play makers, and the other quote i say many RB's.  Again, running backs and play makers are two totally different things, so yet another swing and a miss on your part.  Keep on reaching to make your "points" instead of admitting defeat. You don't take verbal beating very well do you? The least you could have done is look graceful in defeat, but you have failed at that as well.  Pity.

Any other irrational or desperate comments u want to throw at me?

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 15 day(s) ago - hide

@royale with cheese 

Because of your refusal to address my points in a rational manner, I'll just do this response as a numbered list. You should reply in the same manner in order to actually reply to all of them.

1. Is the "keep it up" and "thanks for the laughs!" a bit now? You've repeatedly ripped off those lines from me and just keep posting them. You can’t just call them common phrases, as you are lifting phrases word for word from my posts. Are you really incapable of crafting your own material?

2. I've never bashed Walt for hating on the Steelers. He is, in fact, frequently too light on them. I detested both the Colson and Coates picks (D- and F in my book, respectively) and thought he was way too light on the Mike Mitchell signing last year (also an F as far as I'm concerned). Don't bother looking for me complaining about Walt hating. That material does not exist. You were saying something about reaching?

3. I apologized (twice) for getting personal. I've bashed your intelligence multiple times due to overwhelming evidence that you don't have much going on upstairs, and you decide to get viciously personal and call me a "terrible person" because of some message board disagreements? That's just sad.7.

4. I didn't call Walt underqualified. I said he wasn't qualified to say who the BEST player in the draft was if he hadn't scouted them all. First, you reject the dictionary meaning of a term ("best") because it doesn't support your argument; you follow that up by strawmanning another of my posts in order to claim a victory you haven't earned. It failed...miserably.

5. "then why do you feel the compelling urge to bash people who disagree with him and "like" his analysis?"

I don't suffer fools gladly, nor do I pretend that their absurd beliefs have any grounds in reality. Given how I've responded to your posts, you should know that by now.

5. "Keep on thinking about me to an unhealthy extent and bring me some more of those "theories about me!  I love it!"

Theories like "you're a terrible person?" You were saying something in your post about hypocrisy?

6. "In one quote I say some play makers, and the other quote i say many RB's.”

Irrelevant. your post about watching Johnson's film and being convinced *without any other evidence* that he was one of the best playmakers in the draft negates what you subsequently said. You're trying to cover your tracks, and it is failing.

7. "I'm sure I can go back and dig up all the times u praise Walt and think his analysis is great, but I obviously don't have as much free time as you."

Yes, you do. Your first reply to my last post was (as of this post) 27 hours ago. You checked in 5 hours later, was dismayed to see I hadn't replied, and so wrote yet another one. You have plenty of free time.

8. "Keep on thinking of me and writing all those long posts, I enjoy living rent free inside your head!"

You were clearly very hurt when I insulted your lame "process server" character and got really vicious when I tried to apologize, so who is living rent free inside whose head?

But please, do tell me more about my long posts while writing 3 in reply. Do continue to steal my insults, and by all means, continue to pretend that you weren't insanely inconsistent in your evaluation of Johnson. You can keep laughing. At this point, I'm just sincerely sorry for the people in your life if this is how you function there. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that this is just a strange internet troll act (you're welcome).

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Someone with a life (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 8 day(s) ago - hide
@Robert K Get a life!
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 9 day(s) ago - hide
btw Robert K I accused you of being a troll, and now you do it to me!  OBVIOUSLY PLAGIARIZING!  I also said things like "assuming" and "keep on" before so you are OBVIOUSLY plagiarizing that too!  How dare you!
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process server (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 25 day(s) ago - hide
Not to mention Walt said that they didn't get a play maker, and Duke Johnson is CLEARLY one.  Anyone who watched him play at Miami knows he's a play maker at RB who specializes at catching the ball and getting in the open field, ala Darren Sproles.  I was really hoping the Browns drafted him if he was still there in the 3rd round; Cleveland could use a Darren Sproles type of player on offense.
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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 25 day(s) ago - hide
@process server Lots of players look good in college. The competition is inferior. Limas Sweed dominated in college; nobody would mistake him for a playmaker. It's all projection. That you saw a playmaker in Johnson does not mean he will be one. This is, again, an obvious observation. In fact, I'll just go ahead and call it the best in human history given your distorted definition of the term.
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process server (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 25 day(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

nitpick nitpick nitpick, man you continue to reach and reach after you've been beat instead of just manning up and admitting it.  Again, thanks for the laughs your ignorance really is mind boggling and amusing.

You are once again confusing OPINION with FACT.  It is my OPINION that Johnson is one of the better play makers at RB in the draft after looking up the other top RB's, and is going to be good.  No shi t just because he was really good in college doesn't necessarily mean he'll be good in the NFL, but it is my OPINION that he will be.  Do you understand the difference between opinion and fact now?  Were you sick that day of second grade when they taught that or did you just never get past that point in education?  Or will your terribly inflated and misplaced ego continue to think anybody who disagrees with your opinion is disagreeing with fact?  Thanks for the painfully obvious observation, what are you going to tell me next that 2+2=4?  Dude just stop, for your sake, you're embarrassing yourself.

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 25 day(s) ago - hide

@process server I'm not confusing opinion with fact. Your opinion is that Johnson is one of the best running backs in the draft. It is an unfounded statement, as you have admitted that you haven't extensively scouted the position. If I say "I think that process server (seriously, why that name?) is an intelligent person with lots of interesting things to say," but can't point to a single statement to back that up (and I can't), then my opinion is unfounded. Basic logic. I have not, in any way, confused opinion with fact. I have not distorted definitions based on narcissism (read the definition of best again very slowly), nor have I played the victim when someone accurately points out that I have no basis to reach a conclusion.

You like Johnson? Fine. You think he'll be a good player? No problem. You think he's one of the best playmakers in the draft when you haven't begun to look over the others is an unfounded opinion that would be trashed by any objective observer.

This is all what happened, and once again it took you over a week to finally discover the central point of my arguments. Wow. BTW, who has time to scout every player? I'm guessing you do while you're not reading literature, coming up with your own dismissive retorts, and accepting ribbons for being the "best" student despite performing in the lowest 10% of your class due to lack of effort and intelligence.

Keep petting those soft rabbits, and while you're at it consider tattooing the definition of best on your forearm. It may help.

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process server (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 23 day(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

Aright, go ahead, stick by your weak argument, since you clearly don't have the balls to admit you're wrong.  Keep on lashing out and taking personal shots, because, you know, that's not how a sore loser acts.  Keep on giving me those warm fuzzy feelings that someone like you doesn't agree with me.  Keep on making me laugh with those aggressively witless remarks, because I can tell you think you're being clever, and that really makes it funny!  Keep on telling yourself whatever you have to tell yourself to help you get through the day.

Keep on keeping on!  You're ignorance is bliss and never ceases to amaze me!  Maybe one day you'll be able to learn from this verbal beating I've given you over the past week, or just keep on living in ignorance, I don't care.

P.S., since Walt has not scouted every player in the draft {every year there are many prospects that go undrafted or are drafted late that he admittedly doesn't know how hasn't looked into}, using that logic that means he also doesn't now what he's talking about and he is "lying" lol.  I just hope it doesn't effect your relationship at all, I think you two make a great couple.

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 18 day(s) ago - hide

@process server It's amazing how you're not witty enough to come up with your own retorts. I called you out several times on blatantly lifting them from me, yet you continue to do it.

P.S. I didn't say that Walt was qualified to say who the best player in the draft is. The lying remark was directed specifically at you and not to the draft community in general. The number of straw man arguments (look it up) you have trotted out is staggering.

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Mr.B (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 12 day(s) ago - hide
@Robert K So Walt is right and the Browns fan base so look forward to a 1-15 year?
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 16 day(s) ago - hide

@ Robert K

I'm sure I can go back and dig up all the times u praise Walt and think his analysis is great, but I obviously don't have as much free time as you.  I'm sure there are times where you bash Walt for hating on your precious Steelers, just like these other "homer" fans do, yet you spew your classless hate at them.  Good job on being a hypocrite and a terrible person!  Although that is definitely not the first time someone has called you a terrible person, and it certainly won't be the last. If he is so under-qualified {according to your flawed logic} then why do you feel the compelling urge to bash people who disagree with him and "like" his analysis?  Keep on contradicting yourself kid, you never cease to amaze me! You really believe you're misguided theories and assumptions are true, its amazing!  I don't think I've ever witnessed an ego of this caliber that wasn't deserved in the slightest.  It's truly a humorous experience!  Keep on bringing it please!  Keep on thinking about me to an unhealthy extent and bring me some more of those "theories about me!  I love it!

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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 16 day(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

YES!  Keep it up please!  I love it when you keep on nitpicking and reaching and reaching.  It's a sign of defeat and the farther out you reach the better I feel!  Keep it coming!  Your ridiculous and over-analyzed "points" as you call them {that's so adorable} keep bringing me those warm fuzzy feelings!  Keep on thinking your the first one to use very general and common expressions and that I "plagiarized" you lol, your ego knows no bounds!  Keep on thinking of me and writing all those long posts, I enjoy living rent free inside your head!  and again thanks for the laughs!

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PDH (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 23 day(s) ago - hide
Draft grades are such BS. Not even coaches can exactly predict how their picks will turn out let alone "writers". I just love how they elaborate on why they give their grades on every team's draft class. Like player A was a reach or player B was a steal. No one knows anything until these guys get on the field. It just bugs me how these writers grade draft picks and determine which pick was a reach and not, like they now it all. I bet they haven't watched a second of tape on over half of those prospects and yet they have their opinions about every player. What makes you think you know about a prospect more than the actual team that drafts that prospect? You're telling me, you've put in more time in evaluating a prospect than any of these teams' coaches and GMs? Every team has its own draft board that is created based on their own system and schemes. Your opinion means nothing about who is a reach and who is not. Those opinions are made based on your own draft board which means nothing. Grading draft picks is flat out stupid and pointless.
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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 18 day(s) ago - hide
@PDH So which of the teams that Walt blasted do you root for?
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 23 day(s) ago - hide

If I say "I think that process server (seriously, why that name?) is an intelligent person with lots of interesting things to say," but can't point to a single statement to back that up (and I can't), then my opinion is unfounded

Nice try, but ultimately a swing and a miss.  I have told you repeatedly {but you have chosen to ignore it because it is inconvenient for your argument, or maybe you're the one that has Leonard Shelby syndrome and you need to start getting tattoos of what you've already said to remind yourself } that I have scouted and extensively looked at many other RB's and play makers to come to my decision.  Terrible analogy that's not the same thing as ranking players for the draft and thus doesn't really apply to what we were talking about and only satisfies you're innate need to criticize and angrily bash people.  But thanks for the complement!  Such a charming guy.

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 18 day(s) ago - hide

@royale with cheese 

Your quote above: "I have told you repeatedly {but you have chosen to ignore it because it is inconvenient for your argument, or maybe you're the one that has Leonard Shelby syndrome and you need to start getting tattoos of what you've already said to remind yourself } that I have scouted and extensively looked at many other RB's and play makers to come to my decision."

Two prior quotes:

"And I did know about Duke Johnson, and as a Browns fan I did some research on who are some of the better play makers in the draft (since the Browns really need one) and Duke Johnson I discovered was one of them."

"When I saw Duke Johnson I saw special speed and play making ability, not to mention his impressive stats (most rushing yards in Miami-FL history, which has a pretty rich history of running backs), and that told me all I needed to know and convinced me that he was one of the best play makers at RB in the draft."

In making a false argument, you changed "some" to "many." Also, you flat out admitted that all you needed to make a judgment on Johnson was HIS OWN TAPE, yet later claim to have scouted him against other playmakers when making your decision. You're incapable of keeping track of your own lies.

Here's what is happening. You were offended when I accurately pointed out that the "process server" act was really cheesy. You rejected my apology and became even more irate when I started with the Leonard Shelby references. I have repeatedly mocked your lack of intellect and wit, but do you blame me? You have contradicted yourself many times, trotted out an astonishing array of fallacious arguments, and have lifted some of my quotes nearly word for word (Leonard Shelby, not wanting me to agree with you, etc...) instead of coming up with your own clever dismissals. Initially I thought it was an act, but I no longer do. I think you're functionally incapable not only of following my arguments, but your own.

I'll offer you another apology because it is obvious that I have really hurt your feelings, but I know that it won't be accepted. Every new post from you stoops to new lows as far as logical inconsistency and plagiarism, and I don't expect the next to be any different. You can accept the apology and move on, or you can keep trying to dig yourself out of this hole. Please keep in mind that what I pasted above was not some distorted interpretation of what you said. Those are YOUR OWN WORDS. You only needed to see Johnson's tape to make your decision, but you scouted him against many backs before making your decision. Beautiful.

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DreBeast (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 20 day(s) ago - hide
Brandon Scherff is going to start at right tackle for the Skins, not guard. 
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 23 day(s) ago - hide

@process server 

Again, I've said multiple times that I have looked at and scouted other top running backs and play makers in the draft {no not everyone, but a lot of them, and Walt hasn't scouted everyone either } but you can stick to your straw man fallacy and pretend like I haven't looked up players or running backs at all so you can further placate your ego to feel better about yourself, it's more convenient for you and your argument.

since you keep resorting to bringing up something irrelevant to the argument like my bs anonymous name, like a tempter tantrum-throwing sore loser often does, I'll change it for ya.  It's a reference to my favorite movie.

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Nick Perry (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 24 day(s) ago - hide
Why would you be surprised the Packers took a CB under 6 feet tall? Take a look at the Corners the Packers have fielded the last several years, they're ALL under 6 feet tall. Rollins was a great pick for the Packers, Steelers fans are going to be screaming "Why didn't we take this guy instead of a midget!" 
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dude15 (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 24 day(s) ago - hide
@Uugh Dallas  I think you mean the next two years uless they sign a star FA qb
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Bearman (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 26 day(s) ago - hide
The Bills get a B-....  Really?  No 1st round pick.  Nick O'Leary a steal?  What am I missing?  Buffalo fans should start thinking about the 2016 draft.
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B- is generous (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 24 day(s) ago - hide

@Bearman 

That's actually a generous grade; most analysts gave them a C or so.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2459050-2015-nfl-draft-every-teams-best-value-selection

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Dallas fan (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 24 day(s) ago - hide
@Uugh Dallas  They didnt draft Collins. They pick him up in UDFA. Gotta grade fairly.
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Uugh Dallas (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 24 day(s) ago - hide
The winner of the draft is Dallas....by a mile. They drafted three 1st round draft picks this year including the best edge rusher in Gregory and arguably the best offensive linemen in Collins. I am not a happy guy giants guy. Dallas has set themselves up for a Super Bowl run for the next four years. Uuugggghhhh. 
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IssacH (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 27 day(s) ago - hide
Walt, your man-crush on Ozzie Newsome is just ridiculous. There's no reason to praise every single thing he does.
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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 25 day(s) ago - hide

@IssacH He doesn't.

Back to you.

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 25 day(s) ago - hide

@process server The definition of best, according to Merriam-Webster: "better than all others in quality or value."

Better than ALL OTHERS. So yes, if you're defining a population as all players eligible for the NFL Draft, you must scout them all in order to be intellectually honest in calling one of them the best. The same holds true for running backs.

This has been the crux of all my arguments since I started posting here. If you want to say a player is promising, fine. If you want to say he looks good on tape, fine. If you want to say he's the best (or one of the best), you must scout everyone. Your lack of time or effort is irrelevant to the discussion, and it is narcissistic to assume that you shouldn't have to put in the effort before making a blanket statement that you can't support.

I don't understand what issue you have with this. People here are mouthing off all the time about the best when it is as clear as day that they have no evidence to say so. Seriously, what's the problem here? You can't redefine a term simply because it isn't convenient for your argument.

Finally, I can't believe you had your "aha!" moment over a week after we started going back and forth. Congratulations!

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process server (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 25 day(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

If that's really the best remaining argument you have, if you have to reach THAT far then I just take it as your way of saying you got beat.  Although it would have been far less embarrassing to just admit you were wrong instead of rolling out that weak as argument.  

So say I scouted Todd Gurley but didn't scout some division 2 player who was eligible for the draft and was a projected 7th round draft pick at the highest, would I be lying if I said Gurley was the better player?  Would I be lying if my OPINION was that Gurley was the best RB even though I didn't extensively scout some scrub RB?

LOL get the @#$@ out of here man.   Such a sorry argument and such a pathetic reach on your part.  Thanks again for the laughs though I'm busting a gut over here!

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
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@process server It's not a reach. It's a fact. To be called the best, you have to be better than everyone. To determine that someone is the best, you have to scout the rest of the argument. Rage against that all you want. You're wrong.

"Would I be lying if my OPINION was that Gurley was the best RB even though I didn't extensively scout some scrub RB?"

As long as you say something to the effect of "I haven't actually looked at said scrub and am simply basing my statement on the opinions of others," than no, you're not lying. Otherwise, yes, you are.

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Ender (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 26 day(s) ago - hide
With the Cowboys signing Collins can you just go ahead and upgrade their draft grade to a A/A+.  3 first round talents with 1 first round pick... they got some major steals
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KILLER (Anonymous Poster)
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@Ender 

If Gregory can gain weight and stays out of trouble he is a Top 10 level player.  I thought Byron Jones was the #2 CB after Trae Waynes.  So, really, a Top 20 level pick.  Collins a major steal -- a 1st rounder at low cost as well.  Including free agents like Collins the only draft comparable would be the Vikings.  In my view they also got 3 first rounders despite only having one round 1 pick.  Waynes is a Top 10er.  T.J. Clemmings and Daneille Hunter I had as late 1st rounders.  I know most do not agree about Hunter but he is only 20 and his athleticism is comparable to Ziggy Ansah or Jedeveon Clowney.  He led the SEC in tackles on or behind the line of scrimmage.  Most had Kendricks as a 1st rounder, I did not.  One could argue the Vikings got 4 first rounders then.

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skinsfan (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 26 day(s) ago - hide
@KILLER if Gregory can gain weight? He's a pot head to begin with... what happened to the munchies? Wait till he gets million dollar paychecks... coke anyone? Whenever hes on the field run the ball down his throat and knock him on his ass in a haze of pot smoke! HTTR
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Ender (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 25 day(s) ago - hide
@skinsfan Poor Redskins... 3 first round picks going to 1 guy... who will probably be a backup this year
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process server (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 25 day(s) ago - hide

@ Robert K

I would just like to thank you, because you inability to admit when your wrong is really amusing and it has provided me with a lot of laughs, so thank you.

I was gonna let it go, but I can tell you think you're being smart with your comment so let me knock you down a peg. Using your logic, in order to know a player like Jameis Winston is one of the best overall players in the draft, you would have to scout EVERY other player in the draft, so naturally if you think that your "lying" right?  Because who outside of Mel Kiper Jr. actually has the time for that?  Do you see the flaws in your logic?  If you think someone like Amari Cooper is the best WR in the draft, according to your logic you would have to look up EVERY WR in the draft and if you didn't do that then you're "lying" lol.   

When I saw Duke Johnson I saw special speed and play making ability, not to mention his impressive stats (most rushing yards in Miami-FL history, which has a pretty rich history of running backs), and that told me all I needed to know and convinced me that he was one of the best play makers at RB in the draft. Not quite as good as guys like Gurley or Gordon, but really good and one of the better ones, and most draft experts agree with me.  That retort was an incredible reach on your part, even for you.

But if it's easier and helps your ego to tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself, then hey, who am I to get in the way of your self-satisfaction, however deluded and wrong it may be.

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BuckFan (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 26 day(s) ago - hide

Walt, your analysis of the Browns draft is objectively wrong on multiple counts.

1) Mariota was never an option - the Titans wanted him, period.

2) Erving was the ACC's top blocker for the last 2 years. He was first-team allACC at C and second team at LT.. in the same season.  He is much more athletic than the current Browns RG or RT - he started college as a DT and switched.

3) The depth chart was upgraded at TE, FB, RB, ILB, CB, and S... in addition to the top picks of 2xDL and OL. The draft wasn't flashy, but it did upgrade the talent on the roster.. that's a minimum of a B+ draft.

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process server (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 25 day(s) ago - hide

@BuckFan 

LOL i know.  I generally like Walt's analysis when he's not talking about the Browns, but when he does he can unfairly criticize them.  Not to mention his final grade for the Browns makes no sense.  Every single pick except the Erving pick (which for some reason he "doesn't get") he gave a C or better to, yet he gave the Browns a C- as an overall grade??  What kind of deluded mathematical statistics made him come to that conclusion?

He's probably faulting them for not taking Mariota, but earth to Walt: MARCUS MARIOTA IS NOT ANDREW LUCK.  He is far from a surefire prospect, so Walt please stop pretending like he is.  Also it's unfair to criticize the Browns for a player they had no chance to get, so please get a clue.

When talking about the Browns he needs to get someone who actually watches the games and fully understands their needs, and he can get some crayons and a coloring book and sit in the corner until the adult is finished.

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KILLER (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 26 day(s) ago - hide
Walter, just wanted to thank you.  Your site is absolutely excellent and so detailed and thorough.  I checked it out usually several times a week for the past several months and it is a cornucopia of stats, intrigue, and information.  I learned a lot and I like this site better than any other draft site.  I've been a severe diehard draftnik for about 30 years now and you are the best reference.  Thank you very much for all your hard work and timely updates!
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process server (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 26 day(s) ago - hide

@ Robert K

BTW Spock is NOT overrated.  It was because of Spock that they were able to beat Khan, perhaps the greatest enemy in the Star Trek universe.  But it would make sense how someone like you would think that, so I can't say I'm surprised.  Keep the ignorance coming!

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