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Live 2015 NFL Draft Grades: Round 3

These Live 2015 NFL Draft Grades will be posted minutes after each pick in the 2015 NFL Draft. Follow @walterfootball for updates.

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  1. Indianapolis Colts: D'Joun Smith, CB, Florida Atlantic: B+ Grade
    This makes sense. D'Joun Smith was a third-round prospect, and Indianapolis had to address the secondary, especially at cornerback across from Vontae Davis. This would be an ordinary "B" grade, but I'm bumping this up to a B+ because the Colts moved down and picked up an extra selection.

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  2. Tennessee Titans: Jeremiah Poutasi, G/OT, Utah: B Grade
    Another logical pick for another AFC South team. Jeremiah Poutasi makes sense for the Titans, who had to find an upgrade at either guard or right tackle. He can play both positions and should offer an upgrade in front of Marcus Mariota.

  3. Jacksonville Jaguars: A.J. Cann, G, South Carolina: B+ Grade
    A.J. Cann could've gone in the second half of the previous round, so there is some value here. I'm all for any pick the Jaguars would've made on the offensive line. Blake Bortles had no chance last year behind a putrid offensive line, and Cann should definitely help with the blocking.

  4. Oakland Raiders: Clive Walford, TE, Miami: B+ Grade
    I had Clive Walford going around this range, so I like this pick quite a bit. The Raiders need weapons for Derek Carr, and I think it's a good idea to add an intermediate target to his arsenal. Walford is a great athlete who can block, so he should see the field sooner rather than later.

  5. Seattle Seahawks: Tyler Lockett, WR, Kansas State: C+ Grade
    Tyler Lockett would've earned the Seahawks a B+ grade if they simply took him at this spot, but they traded multiple picks to get him. I don't know about that move, especially with several decent receivers still available, including Jaelen Strong and Rashad Greene. Lockett should be able to help Seattle's receiving corps, but I think Seattle gave up too much to get him.

  6. Houston Texans: Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State: A+ Grade
    As you can tell, I'm not a fan of teams trading up. Not unless it's a special circumstance. I'd say this is a special circumstance. Jaelen Strong easily could've gone at the end of the first round. Watching him fall out of the second frame was shocking. The Texans had to be equally surprised, as they moved up to snag him. Strong should be able to develop into Houston's No. 2 receiver across from DeAndre Hopkins.

  7. Chicago Bears: Hroniss Grasu, C, Oregon: B+ Grade
    The Bears lost Roberto Garza, so they needed a new center. Hroniss Grasu was considered by some to be the top center in this class after Cameron Erving (yes, Browns, Erving is a center). Grasu fits the range as a third-rounder and he fills a need, so there's no arguing this selection.

  8. St. Louis Rams: Jamon Brown, OT, Louisville: D Grade
    Can someone alert the Rams and tell them that we aren't in the seventh round? What are they doing? Why are they picking offensive linemen who should be going in the final rounds of the draft? They're taking players at positions of need, but... I just don't get it.

  9. Atlanta Falcons: Tevin Coleman, RB, Indiana: A+ Grade
    I love this pick. First of all, Tevin Coleman should've gone earlier than this. He could have easily be chosen at the beginning of the previous round, so I think he's a steal at No. 73. Also, Coleman fills a big need. The Falcons only had Devonta Freeman at running back, and he did not look good last year, so Coleman figures to be an upgrade.

  10. New York Giants: Owa Odighizuwa, DE, UCLA: A Grade
    The Giants just landed a pass-rushing steal who dropped into the third round? When has that ever happened? Jerry Reese is the master of obtaining great values on the defensive line, and Owa Odighizuwa is his latest one. The UCLA product should've gone in the first half of the previous round, so I like this pick, especially since Odighizuwa fills a need up front.

  11. New Orleans Saints: Garrett Grayson, QB, Colorado State: B Grade
    I guess Ian Rapoport won't be punching anyone in his no-no-special-place (see the NFL Draft Day 2 Preview for that reference). The Saints were rumored to take Bryce Petty, but I never bought into that. Garrett Grayson makes more sense, as he was the third-best quarterback available behind Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota. Grayson will learn behind Drew Brees for a few seasons and should be able to step in at some point down the road.

  12. Kansas City Chiefs: Chris Conley, WR, Georgia: B- Grade
    Chris Conley is one of the most athletic players in this class. He doesn't know how to play football very well yet, but if he learns, he could emerge as a viable starting receiver. I don't know why Kansas City felt the need to move up, though. The thinking is that they wanted to leap ahead of Cleveland for a wideout, but if a team is concerned that the Browns are going to draft a certain prospect, that player probably isn't good to begin with.

  13. Cleveland Browns: Duke Johnson, RB, Miami: B Grade
    This is a solid pick, but I'd like it a lot more if the Browns actually, you know, needed a running back. They already have two decent ones, but Duke Johnson should be able to fight for some touches, especially with Mike Pettine's chaotic and confusing game-planning. Johnson fits the range, and I like him as a prospect, but there's a chance he'll only be the third running back.

  14. New Orleans Saints: P.J. Williams, CB/S, Florida State: A Grade
    P.J. Williams was once viewed as a first-round prospect, but was arrested for a DUI. He was cleared of those charges, so I thought his draft stock could bounce back, but apparently not. The Saints aren't complaining. Williams is a talented cornerback who could emerge as a starter down the road. The Saints added Brandon Browner at corner this offseason, but they still needed to address this position.

  15. San Francisco 49ers: Eli Harold, DE/OLB, Virginia: A+ Grade
    I've bashed the 49ers' draft thus far, but I have to say that I love this pick. I had Eli Harold going to the Patriots at the end of the first round, though I believed the right spot for him was the second frame. Harold won't contribute right away, but with Aldon Smith bound to be off the team soon, Harold could emerge as a starter in the near future.

  16. Detroit Lions: Alex Carter, CB, Stanford: A- Grade
    Here's the Alex Carter pick. I thought Carter would go to the Steelers or Packers at the end of the second round, given that he fit their scheme so well. The Lions have to be thrilled that he dropped; Carter should be able to start eventually once Rashean Mathis moves on.

  17. Buffalo Bills: John Miller, G, Louisville: C+ Grade
    I had John Miller going to the Bills - but in the fifth round. Having said that, I don't think this is a bad pick, or anything. I had Miller going a bit later than I wanted to, so Buffalo is reaching by about a round. Still, the Bills are filling a big need on the interior of their offensive line, so I don't have a problem with this selection.

  18. New York Jets: Lorenzo Mauldin, DE/OLB, Louisville: B Grade
    This pick definitely makes sense. The Jets had to find an edge rusher - they were projected to take one at No. 6 overall before Leonard Williams dropped to them - and Lorenzo Mauldin fits the range as a third-round prospect. This is a solid choice.

  19. San Diego Chargers: Craig Mager, CB, Texas State: C+ Grade
    This is a bit too early for Craig Mager - I had him as a fourth-round prospect - but the selection makes sense to me. The Chargers had no chance in a meeting against the Broncos last year when their cornerbacks were injured, so San Diego had to find some depth at the position.

  20. Philadelphia Eagles: Jordan Hicks, LB, Texas: C+ Grade
    A non-Pac-12 player for Chip Kelly!? Is this even possible!? Jordan Hicks is extremely athletic though, so this pick at least makes sense from that perspective. Hicks can be a very good player in the NFL, but only if he stays healthy. He has injury concerns, so he could be spending lots of time healing his wounds along with Sam Bradford, DeMarco Murray and Kiko Alonso. Oh, and this makes it apparent that Mychal Kendricks is gone.

  21. Cincinnati Bengals: Tyler Kroft, TE, Rutgers: B- Grade
    Somewhere, Bill Belichick locked himself in a closet and began weeping uncontrollably, as a Rutgers player was chosen before he got to snatch him off the board. The Bengals were looking for a tight end to replace Jermaine Gresham, and Tyler Kroft figures to play well for them. I had Kroft as a fourth-rounder, but taking him in the middle of the third isn't too much of a reach.

  22. Arizona Cardinals: David Johnson, RB, Northern Iowa: A Grade
    ESPN is talking up Sean Mannion as of this writing, but David Johnson is a much better, more-significant pick. Johnson was one of the stars of the Senior Bowl, making a name for himself coming out of Northern Iowa. I thought he'd go earlier than this in the 50-70 range, so the Cardinals are getting quite a bargain with him. He'll complement Andre Ellington extremely well.

  23. Pittsburgh Steelers: Sammie Coates, WR, Auburn: A Grade
    Man, I've correctly mocked all three positions to the Steelers, but I've had the wrong players. I love this pick though, as the Steelers are selecting another talented player who dropped into their lap. Sammie Coates easily could've gone in the second round, but dropped because he, well, drops a lot of passes. That's something that can be coached up. Coates' athleticism, on the other hand, cannot. He has major bust potential, but his ceiling is extremely high.

  24. Minnesota Vikings: Danielle Hunter, DE/OLB, LSU: B+ Grade
    Danielle Hunter's draft stock was all over the place. Some had him as a second-round prospect. One team we spoke to scoffed at this, listing him as a fifth-round prospect. This range should be right for him. Hunter isn't much of a football player right now, but he has the athleticism to develop into a strong starter. The good thing is that Hunter doesn't have to play much right away. He'll have time to eventually emerge as a key player down the road.

  25. St. Louis Rams: Sean Mannion, QB, Oregon State: C Grade
    This is one of the Devin Funchess selections the Panthers curiously traded away. The Rams, however, aren't taking advantage of Carolina's error, drafting a quarterback who some didn't think was going to be taken in the first five rounds. Mannion has mechanical issues on top of his poor pocket awareness, and he was responsible for a ton of turnovers throughout his collegiate career. The Rams probably could've waited another round to take him.

  26. Baltimore Ravens: Carl Davis, DT, Iowa: A+ Grade
    Ozzie Newsome with another A+ pick. Shocker. Carl Davis has first-round talent, but we thought he would drop because he interviewed extremely poorly at the Senior Bowl. Taking him in the second would've been fine, but snagging him in the third frame is a downright steal. The Ravens had to find a replacement up front for Haloti Ngata. Some fans panicked during free agency, but they should've known that Newsome would find a solution.

  27. Dallas Cowboys: Chaz Green, OT, Florida: B+ Grade
    Chaz Green is one of Charlie's draft sleepers. I thought he'd go a bit later than this, but I still like the pick. The Cowboys wanted to upgrade the offensive line because Doug Free won't be around much longer, so Green could step in as a starter as early as 2016.

  28. Denver Broncos: Jeff Heuerman, TE, Ohio State: B Grade
    I think I had Jeff Heuerman slotted to the Broncos at this juncture in one of my updates. Thus, I can't really argue the pick, as it makes a ton of sense. Heuerman fits the range as a late third-round prospect, and he definitely fills a need in the wake of Julius Thomas' departure to Jacksonville.

  29. Indianapolis Colts: Henry Anderson, DE/DT, Stanford: B Grade
    I heard during draft week that Henry Anderson might be pushed into the second round, which I thought was a bit early for him. This is the right range. Anderson fits perfectly into Indianapolis' defense, and he could eventually take over as a starter once the newly acquired Kendall Langford moves on.

  30. Green Bay Packers: Ty Montgomery, WR/KR, Stanford: B Grade
    Ty Montgomery was a Round 3-4 prospect, so the range is right for him. Some may question what the Packers want with yet another receiver, but Montgomery will be able to play special teams as a kick-returner right away. He won't see many offensive reps unless there are numerous injuries, but he'll still be able to make an impact because of his special-teams ability.

  31. Washington Redskins: Matt Jones, RB, Florida: D Grade
    The Redskins needed a third-down running back in the wake of Roy Helu's departure. Matt Jones could fill that role, but the problem with this selection is twofold: First, it's unwise to select "just" a third-down back this early; there were better running backs available. Second, Jones is a reach. He would've made sense in the sixth round, but not here.

  32. Cleveland Browns: Xavier Cooper, DE/DT, Washington State: A- Grade
    The Browns had major issues stopping the run late in the year, so they had to make multiple upgrades on the defensive line. They selected Danny Shelton in the first round, and now Xavier Cooper was added to complement him. Cooper is an athletic lineman who could have been chosen a bit earlier than this. It's a solid choice for the Browns.

  33. New England Patriots: Geneo Grissom, DE/OLB, Oklahoma: C- Grade
    If the Browns were making these picks, I would be bashing them more. I'm hesitant to do that with Bill Belichick pulling the trigger, but I don't understand them. Much like Jordan Richards, Geneo Grissom is a reach. He's an average athlete and football player who probably should've gone in the sixth round. He doesn't satisfy a glaring need either, so I just don't get it.

  34. Kansas City Chiefs: Steve Nelson, CB, Oregon State: B Grade
    Steve Nelson probably could have gone early in the third round without being deemed much of a reach, so the range definitely makes sense. Nelson also fills a need. Sure, Kansas City selected Marcus Peters in the first round, but Nelson will be able to play in the slot. If anything, he'll provide decent value for a team that needs to find a way to beat Peyton Manning.

  35. Cincinnati Bengals: Paul Dawson, LB, TCU: A- Grade
    The Bengals were aiming to upgrade the linebacker spot; Vontaze Burfict has injury issues, while other players at the position have expiring contracts soon. Paul Dawson could have gone a bit earlier than this without being called a reach, so I like this selection for the Bengals. Dawson will begin as a backup, but he figures to be very effective on special teams before he emerges as a starter down the road.

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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
10 hour(s) 53 minute(s) ago - hide
btw Robert K I accused you of being a troll, and now you do it to me!  OBVIOUSLY PLAGIARIZING!  I also said things like "assuming" and "keep on" before so you are OBVIOUSLY plagiarizing that too!  How dare you!
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
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@Robert K 

I guess there were more irrational and desperate comments you wanted to throw at me.  8 to be exact.

1. Yet again your ego never ceases to amaze me.  I say that because it is how I truly feel, and it has nothing to do with what you said.  But go ahead, keep on thinking that. I don't care, your so full of yourself you won't allow yourself to think anything else anyway.

2. As for you never calling out Walt for some occasional Steeler bashing, you don't even believe that, and it's obvious that you're lying.  You can call pointing out your hypocrisies "reaching" if you want, it only points more towards your inability to argue.

3. I called you a terrible person based on all the evidence, that's all.  When you act like a terrible person, you're going to be called that.  Change your general attitude then maybe people will stop calling you that.  Pretty simple.

4. Nice contradiction.  First you say you didn't call Walt under qualified, then in the very next sentence you say that he is not qualified?  Tell me, if he is not qualified {based on your flawed logic and incredible reach} then how is he not under qualified?  

5. Just proving me right about the "terrible person" remark that so obviously touched a nerve with you, probably because its not the first time you've been defined as such.  Classless bashing with witless remarks are not the acts of a good person.  A lot of the comments here are largely subjective and to be so disrespectful to basically everyone just speaks to your character.

6. LOL irrelevant.  It totally tears apart your argument, so naturally you would arbitrarily label it as "irrelevant."  It doesn't negate what I said at all.  Just because Johnson was one of the first backs I looked up it doesn't mean I looked up others afterwards.  Besides, I never said I I only looked up Johnson and nobody else.  All I said was after I saw him play I knew he would be one of the better ones, then after looking up an ample amount of others my belief was solidified.  So congrats on misquoting and being wrong.  Again.

7. Actually my first reply was 7 days ago to your comment that was 9 days ago, so nice lie.  I apologize for the hiatus of my last comment, I'm sure you've been awaiting eagerly for my response due to the alarmingly large amount free time you have.  I just wish I could see the look on your dopey little face as you sit there in anticipation lol.  Keep thinking about me!

8. I wasn't hurt at all by that comment, but if it helps your ego to tell yourself that you have that big of an influence on people who don't respect you at all {i.e. me} then go ahead, whom am I to get in the way of that.  I was just tired of you bringing that up to distract yourself from the verbal beat down I'm giving you {and you still bring it up! Amazing.}, so I decided to change pseudonyms in the hopes that you would stay relevant in regards to the argument, but I was foolish to think you would do that. 

There.  Served again.  I can only hope that this ignorant display is just a facade and you're only being this flagrantly ignorant and wrong because you are too full of yourself or proud {for some reason} to admit when you've been beat.  Keep on swinging and missing {OH a common expression, have you ever said that before?  If you did then I must be plagiarizing lol.  Please learn what plagiarizing means before you use it in an argument to prevent further embarrassment}.  And btw I will keep laughing at you!  That's the first correct thing you've said this whole time!

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ChuckD (Anonymous Poster)
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You are such a Steeler homer! You contradict yourself consistently to give the Squelaers high draft grades, then give other teams like the Browns lower draft grades for VERY GOOD players! SMDH!! People who have been paid a lot more than you to evaluate NFL talent have graded the Browns Draft as the second best of the year, but you give them a C-.... That's comical; and totally kills your credibility! But Browns fans have known for years you have serious bias issues when it come to the AFC North in general; and specifically the Browns.
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process server (Anonymous Poster)
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Not to mention Walt said that they didn't get a play maker, and Duke Johnson is CLEARLY one.  Anyone who watched him play at Miami knows he's a play maker at RB who specializes at catching the ball and getting in the open field, ala Darren Sproles.  I was really hoping the Browns drafted him if he was still there in the 3rd round; Cleveland could use a Darren Sproles type of player on offense.
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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
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@process server Lots of players look good in college. The competition is inferior. Limas Sweed dominated in college; nobody would mistake him for a playmaker. It's all projection. That you saw a playmaker in Johnson does not mean he will be one. This is, again, an obvious observation. In fact, I'll just go ahead and call it the best in human history given your distorted definition of the term.
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process server (Anonymous Poster)
17 day(s) 2 hour(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

nitpick nitpick nitpick, man you continue to reach and reach after you've been beat instead of just manning up and admitting it.  Again, thanks for the laughs your ignorance really is mind boggling and amusing.

You are once again confusing OPINION with FACT.  It is my OPINION that Johnson is one of the better play makers at RB in the draft after looking up the other top RB's, and is going to be good.  No shi t just because he was really good in college doesn't necessarily mean he'll be good in the NFL, but it is my OPINION that he will be.  Do you understand the difference between opinion and fact now?  Were you sick that day of second grade when they taught that or did you just never get past that point in education?  Or will your terribly inflated and misplaced ego continue to think anybody who disagrees with your opinion is disagreeing with fact?  Thanks for the painfully obvious observation, what are you going to tell me next that 2+2=4?  Dude just stop, for your sake, you're embarrassing yourself.

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
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@process server I'm not confusing opinion with fact. Your opinion is that Johnson is one of the best running backs in the draft. It is an unfounded statement, as you have admitted that you haven't extensively scouted the position. If I say "I think that process server (seriously, why that name?) is an intelligent person with lots of interesting things to say," but can't point to a single statement to back that up (and I can't), then my opinion is unfounded. Basic logic. I have not, in any way, confused opinion with fact. I have not distorted definitions based on narcissism (read the definition of best again very slowly), nor have I played the victim when someone accurately points out that I have no basis to reach a conclusion.

You like Johnson? Fine. You think he'll be a good player? No problem. You think he's one of the best playmakers in the draft when you haven't begun to look over the others is an unfounded opinion that would be trashed by any objective observer.

This is all what happened, and once again it took you over a week to finally discover the central point of my arguments. Wow. BTW, who has time to scout every player? I'm guessing you do while you're not reading literature, coming up with your own dismissive retorts, and accepting ribbons for being the "best" student despite performing in the lowest 10% of your class due to lack of effort and intelligence.

Keep petting those soft rabbits, and while you're at it consider tattooing the definition of best on your forearm. It may help.

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process server (Anonymous Poster)
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@Robert K 

Aright, go ahead, stick by your weak argument, since you clearly don't have the balls to admit you're wrong.  Keep on lashing out and taking personal shots, because, you know, that's not how a sore loser acts.  Keep on giving me those warm fuzzy feelings that someone like you doesn't agree with me.  Keep on making me laugh with those aggressively witless remarks, because I can tell you think you're being clever, and that really makes it funny!  Keep on telling yourself whatever you have to tell yourself to help you get through the day.

Keep on keeping on!  You're ignorance is bliss and never ceases to amaze me!  Maybe one day you'll be able to learn from this verbal beating I've given you over the past week, or just keep on living in ignorance, I don't care.

P.S., since Walt has not scouted every player in the draft {every year there are many prospects that go undrafted or are drafted late that he admittedly doesn't know how hasn't looked into}, using that logic that means he also doesn't now what he's talking about and he is "lying" lol.  I just hope it doesn't effect your relationship at all, I think you two make a great couple.

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
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@process server It's amazing how you're not witty enough to come up with your own retorts. I called you out several times on blatantly lifting them from me, yet you continue to do it.

P.S. I didn't say that Walt was qualified to say who the best player in the draft is. The lying remark was directed specifically at you and not to the draft community in general. The number of straw man arguments (look it up) you have trotted out is staggering.

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Mr.B (Anonymous Poster)
3 day(s) 20 hour(s) ago - hide
@Robert K So Walt is right and the Browns fan base so look forward to a 1-15 year?
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
7 day(s) 21 hour(s) ago - hide

Also, perhaps u should choose to actually read my quotes that you chose.  In one quote I say some play makers, and the other quote i say many RB's.  Again, running backs and play makers are two totally different things, so yet another swing and a miss on your part.  Keep on reaching to make your "points" instead of admitting defeat. You don't take verbal beating very well do you? The least you could have done is look graceful in defeat, but you have failed at that as well.  Pity.

Any other irrational or desperate comments u want to throw at me?

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
6 day(s) 23 hour(s) ago - hide

@royale with cheese 

Because of your refusal to address my points in a rational manner, I'll just do this response as a numbered list. You should reply in the same manner in order to actually reply to all of them.

1. Is the "keep it up" and "thanks for the laughs!" a bit now? You've repeatedly ripped off those lines from me and just keep posting them. You can’t just call them common phrases, as you are lifting phrases word for word from my posts. Are you really incapable of crafting your own material?

2. I've never bashed Walt for hating on the Steelers. He is, in fact, frequently too light on them. I detested both the Colson and Coates picks (D- and F in my book, respectively) and thought he was way too light on the Mike Mitchell signing last year (also an F as far as I'm concerned). Don't bother looking for me complaining about Walt hating. That material does not exist. You were saying something about reaching?

3. I apologized (twice) for getting personal. I've bashed your intelligence multiple times due to overwhelming evidence that you don't have much going on upstairs, and you decide to get viciously personal and call me a "terrible person" because of some message board disagreements? That's just sad.7.

4. I didn't call Walt underqualified. I said he wasn't qualified to say who the BEST player in the draft was if he hadn't scouted them all. First, you reject the dictionary meaning of a term ("best") because it doesn't support your argument; you follow that up by strawmanning another of my posts in order to claim a victory you haven't earned. It failed...miserably.

5. "then why do you feel the compelling urge to bash people who disagree with him and "like" his analysis?"

I don't suffer fools gladly, nor do I pretend that their absurd beliefs have any grounds in reality. Given how I've responded to your posts, you should know that by now.

5. "Keep on thinking about me to an unhealthy extent and bring me some more of those "theories about me!  I love it!"

Theories like "you're a terrible person?" You were saying something in your post about hypocrisy?

6. "In one quote I say some play makers, and the other quote i say many RB's.”

Irrelevant. your post about watching Johnson's film and being convinced *without any other evidence* that he was one of the best playmakers in the draft negates what you subsequently said. You're trying to cover your tracks, and it is failing.

7. "I'm sure I can go back and dig up all the times u praise Walt and think his analysis is great, but I obviously don't have as much free time as you."

Yes, you do. Your first reply to my last post was (as of this post) 27 hours ago. You checked in 5 hours later, was dismayed to see I hadn't replied, and so wrote yet another one. You have plenty of free time.

8. "Keep on thinking of me and writing all those long posts, I enjoy living rent free inside your head!"

You were clearly very hurt when I insulted your lame "process server" character and got really vicious when I tried to apologize, so who is living rent free inside whose head?

But please, do tell me more about my long posts while writing 3 in reply. Do continue to steal my insults, and by all means, continue to pretend that you weren't insanely inconsistent in your evaluation of Johnson. You can keep laughing. At this point, I'm just sincerely sorry for the people in your life if this is how you function there. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that this is just a strange internet troll act (you're welcome).

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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
8 day(s) 3 hour(s) ago - hide

@ Robert K

I'm sure I can go back and dig up all the times u praise Walt and think his analysis is great, but I obviously don't have as much free time as you.  I'm sure there are times where you bash Walt for hating on your precious Steelers, just like these other "homer" fans do, yet you spew your classless hate at them.  Good job on being a hypocrite and a terrible person!  Although that is definitely not the first time someone has called you a terrible person, and it certainly won't be the last. If he is so under-qualified {according to your flawed logic} then why do you feel the compelling urge to bash people who disagree with him and "like" his analysis?  Keep on contradicting yourself kid, you never cease to amaze me! You really believe you're misguided theories and assumptions are true, its amazing!  I don't think I've ever witnessed an ego of this caliber that wasn't deserved in the slightest.  It's truly a humorous experience!  Keep on bringing it please!  Keep on thinking about me to an unhealthy extent and bring me some more of those "theories about me!  I love it!

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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
8 day(s) 3 hour(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

YES!  Keep it up please!  I love it when you keep on nitpicking and reaching and reaching.  It's a sign of defeat and the farther out you reach the better I feel!  Keep it coming!  Your ridiculous and over-analyzed "points" as you call them {that's so adorable} keep bringing me those warm fuzzy feelings!  Keep on thinking your the first one to use very general and common expressions and that I "plagiarized" you lol, your ego knows no bounds!  Keep on thinking of me and writing all those long posts, I enjoy living rent free inside your head!  and again thanks for the laughs!

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PDH (Anonymous Poster)
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Draft grades are such BS. Not even coaches can exactly predict how their picks will turn out let alone "writers". I just love how they elaborate on why they give their grades on every team's draft class. Like player A was a reach or player B was a steal. No one knows anything until these guys get on the field. It just bugs me how these writers grade draft picks and determine which pick was a reach and not, like they now it all. I bet they haven't watched a second of tape on over half of those prospects and yet they have their opinions about every player. What makes you think you know about a prospect more than the actual team that drafts that prospect? You're telling me, you've put in more time in evaluating a prospect than any of these teams' coaches and GMs? Every team has its own draft board that is created based on their own system and schemes. Your opinion means nothing about who is a reach and who is not. Those opinions are made based on your own draft board which means nothing. Grading draft picks is flat out stupid and pointless.
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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
10 day(s) 1 hour(s) ago - hide
@PDH So which of the teams that Walt blasted do you root for?
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
14 day(s) 22 hour(s) ago - hide

If I say "I think that process server (seriously, why that name?) is an intelligent person with lots of interesting things to say," but can't point to a single statement to back that up (and I can't), then my opinion is unfounded

Nice try, but ultimately a swing and a miss.  I have told you repeatedly {but you have chosen to ignore it because it is inconvenient for your argument, or maybe you're the one that has Leonard Shelby syndrome and you need to start getting tattoos of what you've already said to remind yourself } that I have scouted and extensively looked at many other RB's and play makers to come to my decision.  Terrible analogy that's not the same thing as ranking players for the draft and thus doesn't really apply to what we were talking about and only satisfies you're innate need to criticize and angrily bash people.  But thanks for the complement!  Such a charming guy.

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
10 day(s) 2 hour(s) ago - hide

@royale with cheese 

Your quote above: "I have told you repeatedly {but you have chosen to ignore it because it is inconvenient for your argument, or maybe you're the one that has Leonard Shelby syndrome and you need to start getting tattoos of what you've already said to remind yourself } that I have scouted and extensively looked at many other RB's and play makers to come to my decision."

Two prior quotes:

"And I did know about Duke Johnson, and as a Browns fan I did some research on who are some of the better play makers in the draft (since the Browns really need one) and Duke Johnson I discovered was one of them."

"When I saw Duke Johnson I saw special speed and play making ability, not to mention his impressive stats (most rushing yards in Miami-FL history, which has a pretty rich history of running backs), and that told me all I needed to know and convinced me that he was one of the best play makers at RB in the draft."

In making a false argument, you changed "some" to "many." Also, you flat out admitted that all you needed to make a judgment on Johnson was HIS OWN TAPE, yet later claim to have scouted him against other playmakers when making your decision. You're incapable of keeping track of your own lies.

Here's what is happening. You were offended when I accurately pointed out that the "process server" act was really cheesy. You rejected my apology and became even more irate when I started with the Leonard Shelby references. I have repeatedly mocked your lack of intellect and wit, but do you blame me? You have contradicted yourself many times, trotted out an astonishing array of fallacious arguments, and have lifted some of my quotes nearly word for word (Leonard Shelby, not wanting me to agree with you, etc...) instead of coming up with your own clever dismissals. Initially I thought it was an act, but I no longer do. I think you're functionally incapable not only of following my arguments, but your own.

I'll offer you another apology because it is obvious that I have really hurt your feelings, but I know that it won't be accepted. Every new post from you stoops to new lows as far as logical inconsistency and plagiarism, and I don't expect the next to be any different. You can accept the apology and move on, or you can keep trying to dig yourself out of this hole. Please keep in mind that what I pasted above was not some distorted interpretation of what you said. Those are YOUR OWN WORDS. You only needed to see Johnson's tape to make your decision, but you scouted him against many backs before making your decision. Beautiful.

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Vikes167 (Anonymous Poster)
11 day(s) 11 hour(s) ago - hide
Did this guy just Clemmings could start at LT? it'd be a huge miracle, because he won't even be in competition/playing LT, rather he will be competing with David Yankey to play LG. Though I must say i am surprised, a lot of people aren't hating the Vikes class like they do every year. another thing, Don't doubt Bryce Petty, that was a brilliant pick by the Jets, he can develop into a solid starter
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DreBeast (Anonymous Poster)
11 day(s) 13 hour(s) ago - hide
Brandon Scherff is going to start at right tackle for the Skins, not guard. 
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
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@process server 

Again, I've said multiple times that I have looked at and scouted other top running backs and play makers in the draft {no not everyone, but a lot of them, and Walt hasn't scouted everyone either } but you can stick to your straw man fallacy and pretend like I haven't looked up players or running backs at all so you can further placate your ego to feel better about yourself, it's more convenient for you and your argument.

since you keep resorting to bringing up something irrelevant to the argument like my bs anonymous name, like a tempter tantrum-throwing sore loser often does, I'll change it for ya.  It's a reference to my favorite movie.

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Nick Perry (Anonymous Poster)
15 day(s) 10 hour(s) ago - hide
Why would you be surprised the Packers took a CB under 6 feet tall? Take a look at the Corners the Packers have fielded the last several years, they're ALL under 6 feet tall. Rollins was a great pick for the Packers, Steelers fans are going to be screaming "Why didn't we take this guy instead of a midget!" 
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dude15 (Anonymous Poster)
15 day(s) 18 hour(s) ago - hide
@Uugh Dallas  I think you mean the next two years uless they sign a star FA qb
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Bearman (Anonymous Poster)
17 day(s) 20 hour(s) ago - hide
The Bills get a B-....  Really?  No 1st round pick.  Nick O'Leary a steal?  What am I missing?  Buffalo fans should start thinking about the 2016 draft.
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B- is generous (Anonymous Poster)
15 day(s) 21 hour(s) ago - hide


That's actually a generous grade; most analysts gave them a C or so.


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Dallas fan (Anonymous Poster)
16 day(s) 1 hour(s) ago - hide
@Uugh Dallas  They didnt draft Collins. They pick him up in UDFA. Gotta grade fairly.
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Uugh Dallas (Anonymous Poster)
16 day(s) 4 hour(s) ago - hide
The winner of the draft is Dallas....by a mile. They drafted three 1st round draft picks this year including the best edge rusher in Gregory and arguably the best offensive linemen in Collins. I am not a happy guy giants guy. Dallas has set themselves up for a Super Bowl run for the next four years. Uuugggghhhh. 
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IssacH (Anonymous Poster)
18 day(s) 21 hour(s) ago - hide
Walt, your man-crush on Ozzie Newsome is just ridiculous. There's no reason to praise every single thing he does.
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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
16 day(s) 22 hour(s) ago - hide

@IssacH He doesn't.

Back to you.

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
17 day(s) 4 hour(s) ago - hide

@process server The definition of best, according to Merriam-Webster: "better than all others in quality or value."

Better than ALL OTHERS. So yes, if you're defining a population as all players eligible for the NFL Draft, you must scout them all in order to be intellectually honest in calling one of them the best. The same holds true for running backs.

This has been the crux of all my arguments since I started posting here. If you want to say a player is promising, fine. If you want to say he looks good on tape, fine. If you want to say he's the best (or one of the best), you must scout everyone. Your lack of time or effort is irrelevant to the discussion, and it is narcissistic to assume that you shouldn't have to put in the effort before making a blanket statement that you can't support.

I don't understand what issue you have with this. People here are mouthing off all the time about the best when it is as clear as day that they have no evidence to say so. Seriously, what's the problem here? You can't redefine a term simply because it isn't convenient for your argument.

Finally, I can't believe you had your "aha!" moment over a week after we started going back and forth. Congratulations!

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process server (Anonymous Poster)
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@Robert K 

If that's really the best remaining argument you have, if you have to reach THAT far then I just take it as your way of saying you got beat.  Although it would have been far less embarrassing to just admit you were wrong instead of rolling out that weak as argument.  

So say I scouted Todd Gurley but didn't scout some division 2 player who was eligible for the draft and was a projected 7th round draft pick at the highest, would I be lying if I said Gurley was the better player?  Would I be lying if my OPINION was that Gurley was the best RB even though I didn't extensively scout some scrub RB?

LOL get the @#$@ out of here man.   Such a sorry argument and such a pathetic reach on your part.  Thanks again for the laughs though I'm busting a gut over here!

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
16 day(s) 22 hour(s) ago - hide

@process server It's not a reach. It's a fact. To be called the best, you have to be better than everyone. To determine that someone is the best, you have to scout the rest of the argument. Rage against that all you want. You're wrong.

"Would I be lying if my OPINION was that Gurley was the best RB even though I didn't extensively scout some scrub RB?"

As long as you say something to the effect of "I haven't actually looked at said scrub and am simply basing my statement on the opinions of others," than no, you're not lying. Otherwise, yes, you are.

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Ender (Anonymous Poster)
18 day(s) 1 hour(s) ago - hide
With the Cowboys signing Collins can you just go ahead and upgrade their draft grade to a A/A+.  3 first round talents with 1 first round pick... they got some major steals
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KILLER (Anonymous Poster)
17 day(s) 22 hour(s) ago - hide


If Gregory can gain weight and stays out of trouble he is a Top 10 level player.  I thought Byron Jones was the #2 CB after Trae Waynes.  So, really, a Top 20 level pick.  Collins a major steal -- a 1st rounder at low cost as well.  Including free agents like Collins the only draft comparable would be the Vikings.  In my view they also got 3 first rounders despite only having one round 1 pick.  Waynes is a Top 10er.  T.J. Clemmings and Daneille Hunter I had as late 1st rounders.  I know most do not agree about Hunter but he is only 20 and his athleticism is comparable to Ziggy Ansah or Jedeveon Clowney.  He led the SEC in tackles on or behind the line of scrimmage.  Most had Kendricks as a 1st rounder, I did not.  One could argue the Vikings got 4 first rounders then.

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skinsfan (Anonymous Poster)
17 day(s) 17 hour(s) ago - hide
@KILLER if Gregory can gain weight? He's a pot head to begin with... what happened to the munchies? Wait till he gets million dollar paychecks... coke anyone? Whenever hes on the field run the ball down his throat and knock him on his ass in a haze of pot smoke! HTTR
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Ender (Anonymous Poster)
17 day(s) 8 hour(s) ago - hide
@skinsfan Poor Redskins... 3 first round picks going to 1 guy... who will probably be a backup this year
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process server (Anonymous Poster)
17 day(s) 9 hour(s) ago - hide

@ Robert K

I would just like to thank you, because you inability to admit when your wrong is really amusing and it has provided me with a lot of laughs, so thank you.

I was gonna let it go, but I can tell you think you're being smart with your comment so let me knock you down a peg. Using your logic, in order to know a player like Jameis Winston is one of the best overall players in the draft, you would have to scout EVERY other player in the draft, so naturally if you think that your "lying" right?  Because who outside of Mel Kiper Jr. actually has the time for that?  Do you see the flaws in your logic?  If you think someone like Amari Cooper is the best WR in the draft, according to your logic you would have to look up EVERY WR in the draft and if you didn't do that then you're "lying" lol.   

When I saw Duke Johnson I saw special speed and play making ability, not to mention his impressive stats (most rushing yards in Miami-FL history, which has a pretty rich history of running backs), and that told me all I needed to know and convinced me that he was one of the best play makers at RB in the draft. Not quite as good as guys like Gurley or Gordon, but really good and one of the better ones, and most draft experts agree with me.  That retort was an incredible reach on your part, even for you.

But if it's easier and helps your ego to tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself, then hey, who am I to get in the way of your self-satisfaction, however deluded and wrong it may be.

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BuckFan (Anonymous Poster)
17 day(s) 12 hour(s) ago - hide

Walt, your analysis of the Browns draft is objectively wrong on multiple counts.

1) Mariota was never an option - the Titans wanted him, period.

2) Erving was the ACC's top blocker for the last 2 years. He was first-team allACC at C and second team at LT.. in the same season.  He is much more athletic than the current Browns RG or RT - he started college as a DT and switched.

3) The depth chart was upgraded at TE, FB, RB, ILB, CB, and S... in addition to the top picks of 2xDL and OL. The draft wasn't flashy, but it did upgrade the talent on the roster.. that's a minimum of a B+ draft.

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process server (Anonymous Poster)
17 day(s) 9 hour(s) ago - hide


LOL i know.  I generally like Walt's analysis when he's not talking about the Browns, but when he does he can unfairly criticize them.  Not to mention his final grade for the Browns makes no sense.  Every single pick except the Erving pick (which for some reason he "doesn't get") he gave a C or better to, yet he gave the Browns a C- as an overall grade??  What kind of deluded mathematical statistics made him come to that conclusion?

He's probably faulting them for not taking Mariota, but earth to Walt: MARCUS MARIOTA IS NOT ANDREW LUCK.  He is far from a surefire prospect, so Walt please stop pretending like he is.  Also it's unfair to criticize the Browns for a player they had no chance to get, so please get a clue.

When talking about the Browns he needs to get someone who actually watches the games and fully understands their needs, and he can get some crayons and a coloring book and sit in the corner until the adult is finished.

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KILLER (Anonymous Poster)
18 day(s) 5 hour(s) ago - hide
Walter, just wanted to thank you.  Your site is absolutely excellent and so detailed and thorough.  I checked it out usually several times a week for the past several months and it is a cornucopia of stats, intrigue, and information.  I learned a lot and I like this site better than any other draft site.  I've been a severe diehard draftnik for about 30 years now and you are the best reference.  Thank you very much for all your hard work and timely updates!
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process server (Anonymous Poster)
18 day(s) 8 hour(s) ago - hide

@ Robert K

BTW Spock is NOT overrated.  It was because of Spock that they were able to beat Khan, perhaps the greatest enemy in the Star Trek universe.  But it would make sense how someone like you would think that, so I can't say I'm surprised.  Keep the ignorance coming!

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process server (Anonymous Poster)
18 day(s) 8 hour(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

LOL you called Lennie from Of Mice and Men Leonard Small?? LOL who calls Lennie "Leonard Small"?  Oh man, you got me there.  Using a vague reference from a book from high school, wow, you really made your point.  That's like calling Dr. Seuss by his actual name Theodore Geisel and not Dr. Suess then saying HA I GOT YOU!  LOL ah man you are so unintentionally funny.  Leonard Nimoy is of course Spock but I don't really care about some other obscure Leonard you looked up before your post to throw in my face, but thanks for thinking about me!

I'm starting to think you're Leonard Shelby and forgot to tattoo yourself with previous arguments because you keep saying the same thing over and over again as if you haven't said it before.  Thanks for providing me with more of those warm fuzzy feelings.  It's people like you that really make me feel better about myself.  Keep it coming!

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