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Live 2015 NFL Draft Grades: Round 2

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  1. New York Giants: Landon Collins, S, Alabama: B Grade
    The Giants dealt a fourth- and a seventh-round pick to move up to this spot. And I can see why they did it. Landon Collins was seen as a first-round prospect by many, but he slipped into the second frame. He potentially fills a huge need for the team, and if the Giants had their hearts set on filling the safety spot, they almost had to move up because there are no other players at the position worth taking in the second round.

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  2. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Donovan Smith, OT, Penn State: C+ Grade
    It had to be one of the tackles, and I would've gone with Jake Fisher over Donovan McNabb, erm, Smith. I think it's a mistake to pass on Fisher. Smith is very athletic, but never developed at Penn State - and I say this as a Nittany Lion alumnus. Smith has motivation issues, so taking him atop Round 2 is awfully risky. He has the potential to be a Pro Bowler, but he could just as easily bust.

  3. Oakland Raiders: Mario Edwards, DE/DT, Florida State: B- Grade
    The Raiders passed on Leonard Williams in the first round, neglecting a huge need they had at defensive tackle. They had to address it on Day 2, and they managed to do so with this selection. It's a bit early for the undersized Mario Edwards - I had him at the end of Round 2 in most of my mock updates - but I can understand why the Raiders would pull the trigger on the Florida State product.

  4. Jacksonville Jaguars: T.J. Yeldon, RB, Alabama: A Grade
    Great job by Charlie Campbell calling this one. Teams were considering T.J. Yeldon at the end of the first round, so the Jaguars had to be thrilled that he made it to them at No. 36. Jacksonville needed to find a running back to upgrade predicted bust Toby Gerhart, and Yeldon was the best player available at the position.



  5. New York Jets: Devin Smith, WR, Ohio State: B+ Grade
    I had the wrong receiver going to the Jets, but I thought they'd address the position. They added Brandon Marshall this offseason to complement Eric Decker, but the aging former Bear will probably be on the team for just one year. The Jets wanted to find a receiver for the future for whomever they plan on playing at quarterback, and the speedy Smith should serve as a strong option.

  6. Washington Redskins: Preston Smith, DE/OLB, Mississippi State: B+ Grade
    The Redskins lost Brian Orakpo this offseason, so it's not a big surprise that they added an edge rusher early in the 2015 NFL Draft. They selected Trent Murphy last year, but Murphy, Ryan Kerrigan and now Preston Smith can form a stout rotation. Smith was pretty underrated throughout this entire process. He's an athletic edge rusher whom I thought had a chance of sneaking into the first round.

  7. Chicago Bears: Eddie Goldman, NT, Florida State: B Grade
    It almost had to be a nose tackle, right? The Bears are moving to the 3-4, and they didn't have any sort of run-plugger in the middle of the defensive line. The Dick Butkus-approved Eddie Goldman now becomes that player. This is the right range for Goldman, who may have had a chance to be taken at the end of the first round. He'll play only two downs for the Bears, but he'll actually give Chicago a chance to get to third-and-long.

  8. Tennessee Titans: Dorial Green-Beckham, WR, Oklahoma: A Grade
    Boom. Dorial Green-Beckham is a top-10 talent in this draft. He would be going that high if it wasn't for his character issues. The Titans have done enough digging on Green-Beckham and thought he was worth a second-round selection. He figures to be the perfect complement for Marcus Mariota; the Titans have a bunch of No. 2 or 3 receivers, but no top target. That's no longer the case. If he stays clean, Green-Beckham could become a perennial Pro Bowler. He's a risk, but the Titans obtained a fourth-round selection via the Giants just in case he busts, so that mitigates the gamble.

  9. Carolina Panthers: Devin Funchess, TE, Michigan: MILLEN Grade
    Eww... This wouldn't be a truly terrible pick if the Panthers simply selected Devin Funchess at their spot in the second round, but they surrendered third- and a sixth-rounders in the process? Uhh... why!? Funchess is a man without a true position. He's too slow to be a receiver, and there were better wideouts available. He's too small to be a tight end, and there were better tight ends available. This selection makes no sense on so many levels.

  10. Atlanta Falcons: Jalen Collins, CB, LSU: C+ Grade
    Dan Quinn wanted a tall cornerback, and Jalen Collins satisfies that. The Falcons love athleticism, and Collins satisfies that. This seems like a great pick for those two reasons, but it's not. Colliins is not a very good football player, and he has some character issues. There were better options available for the Falcons who would've filled bigger needs. Collins could work out, but he has high bust potential.

  11. Houston Texans: Benardrick McKinney, ILB, Mississippi State: B Grade
    The Texans really liked Benardrick McKinney heading into the draft, but never thought they'd have a chance to get him in the middle of the second round. That's why they surrendered fourth- and sixth-round selections to move up for him. I'm not crazy about the trade because there are numerous other inside linebackers worth taking like Denzel Perryman and Eric Kendricks, but there's no denying that Houston is getting good value with McKinney.

  12. New Orleans Saints: Hau'oli Kikaha, DE/OLB, Washington: MAYMILLEN BOXING KIELBASA Grade
    WHOA... I didn't even have Hau'oli Kikaha being drafted, and there were teams that didn't even have him on their boards because of numerous knee injuries. The Saints could've A) obtained safer players who are close in terms of talent, or B) waited several rounds to draft Kikaha. This is a major head-scratcher.



  13. Minnesota Vikings: Eric Kendricks, ILB, UCLA: A+ Grade
    This is my favorite pick of the second round so far. Eric Kendricks is a first-round prospect. I had him going to Nos. 24 and 30 in various updates of my mock draft. He should've been the first inside linebacker off the board, so he's an absolute steal in the middle of the second frame. He fills a huge need for Minnesota in the middle of its defense.

  14. San Francisco 49ers: Jaquiski Tartt, S, Samford: D Grade
    I made a disgusting-looking face when I saw this pick. I wish you could've seen it. That's pretty much the same face I've made for every single decision the 49ers have made in the past year. Their franchise is a disaster, and so is this pick. Jaquiski Tartt is a third-round prospect at best and could've easily been chosen in the fourth frame. This pick doesn't make much sense. San Francisco could've taken a safety of equal talent later.

  15. Philadelphia Eagles: Eric Rowe, CB/S, Utah: B+ Grade
    Unlike yesterday, the Eagles were able to trade up. They dealt both of their fifth-round selections, but received a sixth-rounder in return. Like yesterday, Chip Kelly obtained a Pac-12 prospect. Eric Rowe makes more sense to me than Nelson Agholor. Rowe is big and very athletic, and he can play both the cornerback and safety positions. He should help Philadelphia's putrid secondary.

  16. San Diego Chargers: Denzel Perryman, ILB, Miami: A- Grade
    Denzel Perryman could've gone earlier than this - I had him sneaking into the first round of my mock draft after hearing there was some interest - so I like this pick. Perryman could start at inside linebacker as a rookie, displacing Donald Butler, who was downright awful in 2014. It could be argued that the Chargers could've used a blocker for Philip Rivers or a pass-rusher to get after Peyton Manning, but it's hard to hate this pick.



  17. Kansas City Chiefs: Mitch Morse, C/G, Missouri: C+ Grade
    Mitch Morse is an athletic interior lineman who can play both center and guard. The Chiefs had to address the former position with Rodney Hudson gone. I think this is a bit too early for Morse, but I'm not so sure he would've been available for the Chiefs in the third round. Kansas City could've traded down, which would've salvaged this grade. However, Morse should end up being a decent player for the Chiefs.

  18. Buffalo Bills: Ronald Darby, CB, Florida State: A Grade
    Not a quarterback! It's a victory for the Bills, who sounded like they were getting duped by Bryce Petty. There was discussion that Ronald Darby could go at the end of the first or top of the second round, so Buffalo is getting a steal at No. 50. The Bills have some expiring contracts at the position in the near future, so Darby should be able to step in as the starter as early as 2016.

  19. Cleveland Browns: Nate Orchard, DE/OLB, Utah: C+ Grade
    This is a round too early for Nate Orchard, as there were were better pass-rushers available. I get the selection - Barkevious Mingo does a lot well, but doesn't do a good job of rushing the passer - so Orchard makes sense, given that he nearly had 20 sacks for the Utes last season. The Browns could've gone a different direction in terms of taking an edge rusher, but they at least moved down prior to making the pick.

  20. Miami Dolphins: Jordan Phillips, DT, Oklahoma: C+ Grade
    Wow, how many massive defensive tackles do the Dolphins need? Jordan Phillips is a massive man who happens to be very athletic for his size. The problem is that he doesn't play football very well. I thought he might go in the first round, which would've been a big reach. He makes sense in this range, but I don't like the scheme or need fit very much. The silver lining is that Miami moved down and picked up extra picks in the process.



  21. Cincinnati Bengals: Jake Fisher, OT, Oregon: B+ Grade
    Uhh... another tackle!? I guess the good news is that the Bengals know that they have a blind-side protector if Cedric Ogbuehi busts, and they're selecting the best player available, as Jake Fisher was receiving first-round buzz. The bad news is that Cincinnati apparently won't have Andre Smith or Andrew Whitworth next year, meaning they'll have to count on both second-year tackles to protect Andy Dalton.

  22. Detroit Lions: Ameer Abdullah, RB, Nebraska: A Grade
    Reggie Bush had a nice start to his Detroit career, but he flamed out, making countless mistakes toward the end of his tenure there. The Lions had to find a replacement for Bush, and they managed to do so with Ameer Abdullah, a game-breaking running back who can go the distance every time he touches the ball. Abdullah could develop into a three-down back if he learns how to block better. Even still, he'll make the Lions' offense so much more explosive.

  23. Baltimore Ravens: Maxx Williams, TE, Minnesota: A+ Grade
    If you're the Falcons or another team with a glaring need at tight end, and you passed on Maxx Williams and later saw Ozzie Newsome select him in the very same round, what are you thinking? Probably, "Ah, crap, we f***ed up." It's true. I don't know what those teams were thinking because this is an absolute steal. Williams could've easily gone at the end of the first round, but the Ravens aren't complaining. He'll provide a boost on offense while filling a huge need for them.

  24. Pittsburgh Steelers: Senquez Golson, CB, Ole Miss: C- Grade
    Call me shocked that the Steelers chose Senquez Golson over Alex Carter or P.J. Williams... or a bunch of other cornerbacks. First of all, Golson is just 5-foot-9, so he doesn't have the size Pittsburgh usually likes at the position. Second, Golson was a Round 4-5 prospect. This is too early for him, especially with so many better players available at the position.



  25. St. Louis Rams: Rob Havenstein, OT, Wisconsin: MILLEN HAVING FUN WITH DIRECTV HANNAH'S HORSE Grade
    WOW. Did Pisa Tinoisamoa read the wrong name off the card? That was the first thought I had when the former Ram linebacker announced the selection. Rob Havenstein barely made my mock draft; I had him slotted in the seventh round. I guess the Rams didn't watch or scout the Senior Bowl practices because Havenstein was abused in every practice. He didn't look like he belonged. Blegh.

  26. Arizona Cardinals: Markus Golden, DE/OLB, Missouri: B- Grade
    After some NFL personnel men looked at a mock draft of mine back in February, I was told to move Markus Golden down to the third or fourth round. Obviously, I didn't talk to anyone from Arizona. Having said that, I don't mind Golden at the end of the second round, given that I admittedly had him at the end of the first frame at some point. Golden could potentially help solve Arizona's pass-rushing issues from the edge.

  27. Denver Broncos: Ty Sambrailo, OT, Colorado State: C Grade
    Meh. That's how I feel about this pick. Meh. Ty Sambrailo was a third- or fourth-round prospect for me, so Denver is picking him a bit early. Still, the selection makes sense, as the Broncos had to find an upgrade at the right tackle position to help protect the ancient Peyton Manning.

  28. Dallas Cowboys: Randy Gregory, DE/OLB, Nebraska: A Grade
    ESPN is gushing about the Cowboys being the right place for Randy Gregory. Call me crazy, but I don't think a locker room comprised of Dez Bryant and Greg Hardy is a great fit. Having said that, I really like this pick; I had Dallas taking Gregory in the first round of my mock, so this is a steal. Gregory may have been the third-overall selection if he was completely clean off the field. Of course, he's not, and what he has going on behind the scenes is a major concern. NFL personnel have said that they think he may not last five years in the NFL. However, the Cowboys are ready to win now. Tony Romo just turned 35, and Jerry Jones doesn't have many years left either. They're in position to win a Super Bowl, and Gregory should be able to help with his awesome pass-rushing ability.

  29. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Ali Marpet, C/G/OT, Hobart: B+ Grade
    The Buccaneers moved up for Ali Marpet? Why, you ask? Because the Seahawks were set to select him. Ali Marpet is definitely worth a late second-round pick; he can play every position up front, which is important for a team with multiple holes on its offensive line. Marpet is highly athletic and was coveted by one of the top-drafting teams in the NFL, so this is very promising for the Buccaneers.

  30. Green Bay Packers: Quinten Rollins, CB, Miami of Ohio: B+ Grade
    Quinten Rollins, as you may know by now, is a former basketball player who doesn't have much football experience. He's a talented prospect though, and he's well worth this selection, as I had him pegged as a late second-rounder. He also fills a big need; the Packers lost several cornerbacks this offseason, so they had to address the position. I'm just a bit confused that they would draft a corner under six feet tall.

  31. Seattle Seahawks: Frank Clark, DE/OLB, Michigan: B Grade
    The Seahawks decided not to pick up the fifth-year option on Bruce Irvin's contract, so here's his replacement. Frank Clark is another ultra-talented pass-rusher who dropped because of character issues. Clark has numerous things on is rap sheet, including domestic violence. He was clear of those charges, but Clark dealt with other issues as well. Still, the Seahawks have taken chances on troubled players before and had it pay off, so this selection could definitely help their team.

  32. New England Patriots: Jordan Richards, S, Stanford: C Grade
    Leave it to Bill Belichick to select a fifth-round defensive back in the second round. He'll probably make it work too. I guess I'm stubborn, so I'll need to see it happen again. Jordan Richards was seen as a third-day prospect, so this is definitely a reach. Belichick does have a good track record though, so I'll give him the slight benefit of the doubt.

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ChuckD (Anonymous Poster)
2 day(s) 14 hour(s) ago - hide
You are such a Steeler homer! You contradict yourself consistently to give the Squelaers high draft grades, then give other teams like the Browns lower draft grades for VERY GOOD players! SMDH!! People who have been paid a lot more than you to evaluate NFL talent have graded the Browns Draft as the second best of the year, but you give them a C-.... That's comical; and totally kills your credibility! But Browns fans have known for years you have serious bias issues when it come to the AFC North in general; and specifically the Browns.
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process server (Anonymous Poster)
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Not to mention Walt said that they didn't get a play maker, and Duke Johnson is CLEARLY one.  Anyone who watched him play at Miami knows he's a play maker at RB who specializes at catching the ball and getting in the open field, ala Darren Sproles.  I was really hoping the Browns drafted him if he was still there in the 3rd round; Cleveland could use a Darren Sproles type of player on offense.
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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
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@process server Lots of players look good in college. The competition is inferior. Limas Sweed dominated in college; nobody would mistake him for a playmaker. It's all projection. That you saw a playmaker in Johnson does not mean he will be one. This is, again, an obvious observation. In fact, I'll just go ahead and call it the best in human history given your distorted definition of the term.
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process server (Anonymous Poster)
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@Robert K 

nitpick nitpick nitpick, man you continue to reach and reach after you've been beat instead of just manning up and admitting it.  Again, thanks for the laughs your ignorance really is mind boggling and amusing.

You are once again confusing OPINION with FACT.  It is my OPINION that Johnson is one of the better play makers at RB in the draft after looking up the other top RB's, and is going to be good.  No shi t just because he was really good in college doesn't necessarily mean he'll be good in the NFL, but it is my OPINION that he will be.  Do you understand the difference between opinion and fact now?  Were you sick that day of second grade when they taught that or did you just never get past that point in education?  Or will your terribly inflated and misplaced ego continue to think anybody who disagrees with your opinion is disagreeing with fact?  Thanks for the painfully obvious observation, what are you going to tell me next that 2+2=4?  Dude just stop, for your sake, you're embarrassing yourself.

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
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@process server I'm not confusing opinion with fact. Your opinion is that Johnson is one of the best running backs in the draft. It is an unfounded statement, as you have admitted that you haven't extensively scouted the position. If I say "I think that process server (seriously, why that name?) is an intelligent person with lots of interesting things to say," but can't point to a single statement to back that up (and I can't), then my opinion is unfounded. Basic logic. I have not, in any way, confused opinion with fact. I have not distorted definitions based on narcissism (read the definition of best again very slowly), nor have I played the victim when someone accurately points out that I have no basis to reach a conclusion.

You like Johnson? Fine. You think he'll be a good player? No problem. You think he's one of the best playmakers in the draft when you haven't begun to look over the others is an unfounded opinion that would be trashed by any objective observer.

This is all what happened, and once again it took you over a week to finally discover the central point of my arguments. Wow. BTW, who has time to scout every player? I'm guessing you do while you're not reading literature, coming up with your own dismissive retorts, and accepting ribbons for being the "best" student despite performing in the lowest 10% of your class due to lack of effort and intelligence.

Keep petting those soft rabbits, and while you're at it consider tattooing the definition of best on your forearm. It may help.

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process server (Anonymous Poster)
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@Robert K 

Aright, go ahead, stick by your weak argument, since you clearly don't have the balls to admit you're wrong.  Keep on lashing out and taking personal shots, because, you know, that's not how a sore loser acts.  Keep on giving me those warm fuzzy feelings that someone like you doesn't agree with me.  Keep on making me laugh with those aggressively witless remarks, because I can tell you think you're being clever, and that really makes it funny!  Keep on telling yourself whatever you have to tell yourself to help you get through the day.

Keep on keeping on!  You're ignorance is bliss and never ceases to amaze me!  Maybe one day you'll be able to learn from this verbal beating I've given you over the past week, or just keep on living in ignorance, I don't care.

P.S., since Walt has not scouted every player in the draft {every year there are many prospects that go undrafted or are drafted late that he admittedly doesn't know how hasn't looked into}, using that logic that means he also doesn't now what he's talking about and he is "lying" lol.  I just hope it doesn't effect your relationship at all, I think you two make a great couple.

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
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@process server It's amazing how you're not witty enough to come up with your own retorts. I called you out several times on blatantly lifting them from me, yet you continue to do it.

P.S. I didn't say that Walt was qualified to say who the best player in the draft is. The lying remark was directed specifically at you and not to the draft community in general. The number of straw man arguments (look it up) you have trotted out is staggering.

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Mr.B (Anonymous Poster)
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@Robert K So Walt is right and the Browns fan base so look forward to a 1-15 year?
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
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Also, perhaps u should choose to actually read my quotes that you chose.  In one quote I say some play makers, and the other quote i say many RB's.  Again, running backs and play makers are two totally different things, so yet another swing and a miss on your part.  Keep on reaching to make your "points" instead of admitting defeat. You don't take verbal beating very well do you? The least you could have done is look graceful in defeat, but you have failed at that as well.  Pity.

Any other irrational or desperate comments u want to throw at me?

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
6 day(s) 11 hour(s) ago - hide

@royale with cheese 

Because of your refusal to address my points in a rational manner, I'll just do this response as a numbered list. You should reply in the same manner in order to actually reply to all of them.

1. Is the "keep it up" and "thanks for the laughs!" a bit now? You've repeatedly ripped off those lines from me and just keep posting them. You can’t just call them common phrases, as you are lifting phrases word for word from my posts. Are you really incapable of crafting your own material?

2. I've never bashed Walt for hating on the Steelers. He is, in fact, frequently too light on them. I detested both the Colson and Coates picks (D- and F in my book, respectively) and thought he was way too light on the Mike Mitchell signing last year (also an F as far as I'm concerned). Don't bother looking for me complaining about Walt hating. That material does not exist. You were saying something about reaching?

3. I apologized (twice) for getting personal. I've bashed your intelligence multiple times due to overwhelming evidence that you don't have much going on upstairs, and you decide to get viciously personal and call me a "terrible person" because of some message board disagreements? That's just sad.7.

4. I didn't call Walt underqualified. I said he wasn't qualified to say who the BEST player in the draft was if he hadn't scouted them all. First, you reject the dictionary meaning of a term ("best") because it doesn't support your argument; you follow that up by strawmanning another of my posts in order to claim a victory you haven't earned. It failed...miserably.

5. "then why do you feel the compelling urge to bash people who disagree with him and "like" his analysis?"

I don't suffer fools gladly, nor do I pretend that their absurd beliefs have any grounds in reality. Given how I've responded to your posts, you should know that by now.

5. "Keep on thinking about me to an unhealthy extent and bring me some more of those "theories about me!  I love it!"

Theories like "you're a terrible person?" You were saying something in your post about hypocrisy?

6. "In one quote I say some play makers, and the other quote i say many RB's.”

Irrelevant. your post about watching Johnson's film and being convinced *without any other evidence* that he was one of the best playmakers in the draft negates what you subsequently said. You're trying to cover your tracks, and it is failing.

7. "I'm sure I can go back and dig up all the times u praise Walt and think his analysis is great, but I obviously don't have as much free time as you."

Yes, you do. Your first reply to my last post was (as of this post) 27 hours ago. You checked in 5 hours later, was dismayed to see I hadn't replied, and so wrote yet another one. You have plenty of free time.

8. "Keep on thinking of me and writing all those long posts, I enjoy living rent free inside your head!"

You were clearly very hurt when I insulted your lame "process server" character and got really vicious when I tried to apologize, so who is living rent free inside whose head?

But please, do tell me more about my long posts while writing 3 in reply. Do continue to steal my insults, and by all means, continue to pretend that you weren't insanely inconsistent in your evaluation of Johnson. You can keep laughing. At this point, I'm just sincerely sorry for the people in your life if this is how you function there. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that this is just a strange internet troll act (you're welcome).

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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
7 day(s) 15 hour(s) ago - hide

@ Robert K

I'm sure I can go back and dig up all the times u praise Walt and think his analysis is great, but I obviously don't have as much free time as you.  I'm sure there are times where you bash Walt for hating on your precious Steelers, just like these other "homer" fans do, yet you spew your classless hate at them.  Good job on being a hypocrite and a terrible person!  Although that is definitely not the first time someone has called you a terrible person, and it certainly won't be the last. If he is so under-qualified {according to your flawed logic} then why do you feel the compelling urge to bash people who disagree with him and "like" his analysis?  Keep on contradicting yourself kid, you never cease to amaze me! You really believe you're misguided theories and assumptions are true, its amazing!  I don't think I've ever witnessed an ego of this caliber that wasn't deserved in the slightest.  It's truly a humorous experience!  Keep on bringing it please!  Keep on thinking about me to an unhealthy extent and bring me some more of those "theories about me!  I love it!

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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
7 day(s) 15 hour(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

YES!  Keep it up please!  I love it when you keep on nitpicking and reaching and reaching.  It's a sign of defeat and the farther out you reach the better I feel!  Keep it coming!  Your ridiculous and over-analyzed "points" as you call them {that's so adorable} keep bringing me those warm fuzzy feelings!  Keep on thinking your the first one to use very general and common expressions and that I "plagiarized" you lol, your ego knows no bounds!  Keep on thinking of me and writing all those long posts, I enjoy living rent free inside your head!  and again thanks for the laughs!

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PDH (Anonymous Poster)
14 day(s) 16 hour(s) ago - hide
Draft grades are such BS. Not even coaches can exactly predict how their picks will turn out let alone "writers". I just love how they elaborate on why they give their grades on every team's draft class. Like player A was a reach or player B was a steal. No one knows anything until these guys get on the field. It just bugs me how these writers grade draft picks and determine which pick was a reach and not, like they now it all. I bet they haven't watched a second of tape on over half of those prospects and yet they have their opinions about every player. What makes you think you know about a prospect more than the actual team that drafts that prospect? You're telling me, you've put in more time in evaluating a prospect than any of these teams' coaches and GMs? Every team has its own draft board that is created based on their own system and schemes. Your opinion means nothing about who is a reach and who is not. Those opinions are made based on your own draft board which means nothing. Grading draft picks is flat out stupid and pointless.
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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
9 day(s) 13 hour(s) ago - hide
@PDH So which of the teams that Walt blasted do you root for?
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
14 day(s) 10 hour(s) ago - hide

If I say "I think that process server (seriously, why that name?) is an intelligent person with lots of interesting things to say," but can't point to a single statement to back that up (and I can't), then my opinion is unfounded

Nice try, but ultimately a swing and a miss.  I have told you repeatedly {but you have chosen to ignore it because it is inconvenient for your argument, or maybe you're the one that has Leonard Shelby syndrome and you need to start getting tattoos of what you've already said to remind yourself } that I have scouted and extensively looked at many other RB's and play makers to come to my decision.  Terrible analogy that's not the same thing as ranking players for the draft and thus doesn't really apply to what we were talking about and only satisfies you're innate need to criticize and angrily bash people.  But thanks for the complement!  Such a charming guy.

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
9 day(s) 13 hour(s) ago - hide

@royale with cheese 

Your quote above: "I have told you repeatedly {but you have chosen to ignore it because it is inconvenient for your argument, or maybe you're the one that has Leonard Shelby syndrome and you need to start getting tattoos of what you've already said to remind yourself } that I have scouted and extensively looked at many other RB's and play makers to come to my decision."

Two prior quotes:

"And I did know about Duke Johnson, and as a Browns fan I did some research on who are some of the better play makers in the draft (since the Browns really need one) and Duke Johnson I discovered was one of them."

"When I saw Duke Johnson I saw special speed and play making ability, not to mention his impressive stats (most rushing yards in Miami-FL history, which has a pretty rich history of running backs), and that told me all I needed to know and convinced me that he was one of the best play makers at RB in the draft."

In making a false argument, you changed "some" to "many." Also, you flat out admitted that all you needed to make a judgment on Johnson was HIS OWN TAPE, yet later claim to have scouted him against other playmakers when making your decision. You're incapable of keeping track of your own lies.

Here's what is happening. You were offended when I accurately pointed out that the "process server" act was really cheesy. You rejected my apology and became even more irate when I started with the Leonard Shelby references. I have repeatedly mocked your lack of intellect and wit, but do you blame me? You have contradicted yourself many times, trotted out an astonishing array of fallacious arguments, and have lifted some of my quotes nearly word for word (Leonard Shelby, not wanting me to agree with you, etc...) instead of coming up with your own clever dismissals. Initially I thought it was an act, but I no longer do. I think you're functionally incapable not only of following my arguments, but your own.

I'll offer you another apology because it is obvious that I have really hurt your feelings, but I know that it won't be accepted. Every new post from you stoops to new lows as far as logical inconsistency and plagiarism, and I don't expect the next to be any different. You can accept the apology and move on, or you can keep trying to dig yourself out of this hole. Please keep in mind that what I pasted above was not some distorted interpretation of what you said. Those are YOUR OWN WORDS. You only needed to see Johnson's tape to make your decision, but you scouted him against many backs before making your decision. Beautiful.

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Vikes167 (Anonymous Poster)
10 day(s) 23 hour(s) ago - hide
Did this guy just Clemmings could start at LT? it'd be a huge miracle, because he won't even be in competition/playing LT, rather he will be competing with David Yankey to play LG. Though I must say i am surprised, a lot of people aren't hating the Vikes class like they do every year. another thing, Don't doubt Bryce Petty, that was a brilliant pick by the Jets, he can develop into a solid starter
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DreBeast (Anonymous Poster)
11 day(s) 1 hour(s) ago - hide
Brandon Scherff is going to start at right tackle for the Skins, not guard. 
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
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@process server 

Again, I've said multiple times that I have looked at and scouted other top running backs and play makers in the draft {no not everyone, but a lot of them, and Walt hasn't scouted everyone either } but you can stick to your straw man fallacy and pretend like I haven't looked up players or running backs at all so you can further placate your ego to feel better about yourself, it's more convenient for you and your argument.

since you keep resorting to bringing up something irrelevant to the argument like my bs anonymous name, like a tempter tantrum-throwing sore loser often does, I'll change it for ya.  It's a reference to my favorite movie.

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Nick Perry (Anonymous Poster)
14 day(s) 22 hour(s) ago - hide
Why would you be surprised the Packers took a CB under 6 feet tall? Take a look at the Corners the Packers have fielded the last several years, they're ALL under 6 feet tall. Rollins was a great pick for the Packers, Steelers fans are going to be screaming "Why didn't we take this guy instead of a midget!" 
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dude15 (Anonymous Poster)
15 day(s) 6 hour(s) ago - hide
@Uugh Dallas  I think you mean the next two years uless they sign a star FA qb
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Bearman (Anonymous Poster)
17 day(s) 7 hour(s) ago - hide
The Bills get a B-....  Really?  No 1st round pick.  Nick O'Leary a steal?  What am I missing?  Buffalo fans should start thinking about the 2016 draft.
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B- is generous (Anonymous Poster)
15 day(s) 9 hour(s) ago - hide

@Bearman 

That's actually a generous grade; most analysts gave them a C or so.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2459050-2015-nfl-draft-every-teams-best-value-selection

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Dallas fan (Anonymous Poster)
15 day(s) 13 hour(s) ago - hide
@Uugh Dallas  They didnt draft Collins. They pick him up in UDFA. Gotta grade fairly.
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Uugh Dallas (Anonymous Poster)
15 day(s) 16 hour(s) ago - hide
The winner of the draft is Dallas....by a mile. They drafted three 1st round draft picks this year including the best edge rusher in Gregory and arguably the best offensive linemen in Collins. I am not a happy guy giants guy. Dallas has set themselves up for a Super Bowl run for the next four years. Uuugggghhhh. 
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IssacH (Anonymous Poster)
18 day(s) 9 hour(s) ago - hide
Walt, your man-crush on Ozzie Newsome is just ridiculous. There's no reason to praise every single thing he does.
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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
16 day(s) 9 hour(s) ago - hide

@IssacH He doesn't.

Back to you.

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
16 day(s) 16 hour(s) ago - hide

@process server The definition of best, according to Merriam-Webster: "better than all others in quality or value."

Better than ALL OTHERS. So yes, if you're defining a population as all players eligible for the NFL Draft, you must scout them all in order to be intellectually honest in calling one of them the best. The same holds true for running backs.

This has been the crux of all my arguments since I started posting here. If you want to say a player is promising, fine. If you want to say he looks good on tape, fine. If you want to say he's the best (or one of the best), you must scout everyone. Your lack of time or effort is irrelevant to the discussion, and it is narcissistic to assume that you shouldn't have to put in the effort before making a blanket statement that you can't support.

I don't understand what issue you have with this. People here are mouthing off all the time about the best when it is as clear as day that they have no evidence to say so. Seriously, what's the problem here? You can't redefine a term simply because it isn't convenient for your argument.

Finally, I can't believe you had your "aha!" moment over a week after we started going back and forth. Congratulations!

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process server (Anonymous Poster)
16 day(s) 14 hour(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

If that's really the best remaining argument you have, if you have to reach THAT far then I just take it as your way of saying you got beat.  Although it would have been far less embarrassing to just admit you were wrong instead of rolling out that weak as argument.  

So say I scouted Todd Gurley but didn't scout some division 2 player who was eligible for the draft and was a projected 7th round draft pick at the highest, would I be lying if I said Gurley was the better player?  Would I be lying if my OPINION was that Gurley was the best RB even though I didn't extensively scout some scrub RB?

LOL get the @#$@ out of here man.   Such a sorry argument and such a pathetic reach on your part.  Thanks again for the laughs though I'm busting a gut over here!

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
16 day(s) 10 hour(s) ago - hide

@process server It's not a reach. It's a fact. To be called the best, you have to be better than everyone. To determine that someone is the best, you have to scout the rest of the argument. Rage against that all you want. You're wrong.

"Would I be lying if my OPINION was that Gurley was the best RB even though I didn't extensively scout some scrub RB?"

As long as you say something to the effect of "I haven't actually looked at said scrub and am simply basing my statement on the opinions of others," than no, you're not lying. Otherwise, yes, you are.

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Ender (Anonymous Poster)
17 day(s) 13 hour(s) ago - hide
With the Cowboys signing Collins can you just go ahead and upgrade their draft grade to a A/A+.  3 first round talents with 1 first round pick... they got some major steals
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KILLER (Anonymous Poster)
17 day(s) 10 hour(s) ago - hide

@Ender 

If Gregory can gain weight and stays out of trouble he is a Top 10 level player.  I thought Byron Jones was the #2 CB after Trae Waynes.  So, really, a Top 20 level pick.  Collins a major steal -- a 1st rounder at low cost as well.  Including free agents like Collins the only draft comparable would be the Vikings.  In my view they also got 3 first rounders despite only having one round 1 pick.  Waynes is a Top 10er.  T.J. Clemmings and Daneille Hunter I had as late 1st rounders.  I know most do not agree about Hunter but he is only 20 and his athleticism is comparable to Ziggy Ansah or Jedeveon Clowney.  He led the SEC in tackles on or behind the line of scrimmage.  Most had Kendricks as a 1st rounder, I did not.  One could argue the Vikings got 4 first rounders then.

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skinsfan (Anonymous Poster)
17 day(s) 5 hour(s) ago - hide
@KILLER if Gregory can gain weight? He's a pot head to begin with... what happened to the munchies? Wait till he gets million dollar paychecks... coke anyone? Whenever hes on the field run the ball down his throat and knock him on his ass in a haze of pot smoke! HTTR
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Ender (Anonymous Poster)
16 day(s) 20 hour(s) ago - hide
@skinsfan Poor Redskins... 3 first round picks going to 1 guy... who will probably be a backup this year
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process server (Anonymous Poster)
16 day(s) 21 hour(s) ago - hide

@ Robert K

I would just like to thank you, because you inability to admit when your wrong is really amusing and it has provided me with a lot of laughs, so thank you.

I was gonna let it go, but I can tell you think you're being smart with your comment so let me knock you down a peg. Using your logic, in order to know a player like Jameis Winston is one of the best overall players in the draft, you would have to scout EVERY other player in the draft, so naturally if you think that your "lying" right?  Because who outside of Mel Kiper Jr. actually has the time for that?  Do you see the flaws in your logic?  If you think someone like Amari Cooper is the best WR in the draft, according to your logic you would have to look up EVERY WR in the draft and if you didn't do that then you're "lying" lol.   

When I saw Duke Johnson I saw special speed and play making ability, not to mention his impressive stats (most rushing yards in Miami-FL history, which has a pretty rich history of running backs), and that told me all I needed to know and convinced me that he was one of the best play makers at RB in the draft. Not quite as good as guys like Gurley or Gordon, but really good and one of the better ones, and most draft experts agree with me.  That retort was an incredible reach on your part, even for you.

But if it's easier and helps your ego to tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself, then hey, who am I to get in the way of your self-satisfaction, however deluded and wrong it may be.

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BuckFan (Anonymous Poster)
17 day(s) 0 hour(s) ago - hide

Walt, your analysis of the Browns draft is objectively wrong on multiple counts.

1) Mariota was never an option - the Titans wanted him, period.

2) Erving was the ACC's top blocker for the last 2 years. He was first-team allACC at C and second team at LT.. in the same season.  He is much more athletic than the current Browns RG or RT - he started college as a DT and switched.

3) The depth chart was upgraded at TE, FB, RB, ILB, CB, and S... in addition to the top picks of 2xDL and OL. The draft wasn't flashy, but it did upgrade the talent on the roster.. that's a minimum of a B+ draft.

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process server (Anonymous Poster)
16 day(s) 21 hour(s) ago - hide

@BuckFan 

LOL i know.  I generally like Walt's analysis when he's not talking about the Browns, but when he does he can unfairly criticize them.  Not to mention his final grade for the Browns makes no sense.  Every single pick except the Erving pick (which for some reason he "doesn't get") he gave a C or better to, yet he gave the Browns a C- as an overall grade??  What kind of deluded mathematical statistics made him come to that conclusion?

He's probably faulting them for not taking Mariota, but earth to Walt: MARCUS MARIOTA IS NOT ANDREW LUCK.  He is far from a surefire prospect, so Walt please stop pretending like he is.  Also it's unfair to criticize the Browns for a player they had no chance to get, so please get a clue.

When talking about the Browns he needs to get someone who actually watches the games and fully understands their needs, and he can get some crayons and a coloring book and sit in the corner until the adult is finished.

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KILLER (Anonymous Poster)
17 day(s) 16 hour(s) ago - hide
Walter, just wanted to thank you.  Your site is absolutely excellent and so detailed and thorough.  I checked it out usually several times a week for the past several months and it is a cornucopia of stats, intrigue, and information.  I learned a lot and I like this site better than any other draft site.  I've been a severe diehard draftnik for about 30 years now and you are the best reference.  Thank you very much for all your hard work and timely updates!
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process server (Anonymous Poster)
17 day(s) 20 hour(s) ago - hide

@ Robert K

BTW Spock is NOT overrated.  It was because of Spock that they were able to beat Khan, perhaps the greatest enemy in the Star Trek universe.  But it would make sense how someone like you would think that, so I can't say I'm surprised.  Keep the ignorance coming!

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process server (Anonymous Poster)
17 day(s) 20 hour(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

LOL you called Lennie from Of Mice and Men Leonard Small?? LOL who calls Lennie "Leonard Small"?  Oh man, you got me there.  Using a vague reference from a book from high school, wow, you really made your point.  That's like calling Dr. Seuss by his actual name Theodore Geisel and not Dr. Suess then saying HA I GOT YOU!  LOL ah man you are so unintentionally funny.  Leonard Nimoy is of course Spock but I don't really care about some other obscure Leonard you looked up before your post to throw in my face, but thanks for thinking about me!

I'm starting to think you're Leonard Shelby and forgot to tattoo yourself with previous arguments because you keep saying the same thing over and over again as if you haven't said it before.  Thanks for providing me with more of those warm fuzzy feelings.  It's people like you that really make me feel better about myself.  Keep it coming!

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Process Server (Anonymous Poster)
19 day(s) 5 hour(s) ago - hide

@ Robert K

btw nice little reference to Memento you condescending @#$@.  I will not apologize to you for calling you a condescending @#$@ because you have done everything in your power to earn that.  I do appreciate you apologizing though, it seems like you do have at least a shred of empathy.  Bad luck for you that you tried to be cute with a movie buff.

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
19 day(s) 0 hour(s) ago - hide

@Process Server Good job using Google to find the reference! I didn't say that Erving was JUST a backup center, and I still don't believe you about Duke Johnson, and it is embarrassingly obvious that you are lying about that. Looks like you're the one getting pretty wound up, so I'll leave you alone now, Lenny. Sheesh, talk about getting a rise out of someone. Settle down, process server!

Anything else?

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process server (Anonymous Poster)
18 day(s) 21 hour(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

I actually didn't use google to look up the reference and Memento is actually one of my favorite movies and I saw it on Netflix a couple years ago when it was streaming, and Christopher Nolan is one of my favorite directors, but since you're a man who doesn't like it when he's proved wrong I didn't really expect you to be a good sport about it.

LOL embarrassingly obvious that I'm lying?  Really? Is that all you got?  So it's embarrassingly obvious that I would lie in an age where the internet runs the world and I could easily look up all the stuff I wanted to look up about the prospects I really liked in the draft?  Man your arguments are getting weaker and weaker.

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process server (Anonymous Poster)
18 day(s) 20 hour(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

Btw good job on being a hypocrite again and not really intelligently responding to any of my points at all I've made in my posts and just spewing hate.  How's your glass house treating ya?  You're out of your league kid sit down.

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
18 day(s) 18 hour(s) ago - hide

@Process Server Actually Lenny, I did respond to many of your points. See below. You're obviously lying about Johnson, so I won't address that at all.  Where exactly did you prove me wrong, Mr. Shelby? You didn't. Speaking of spewing hate, why call Walt retarded. Obvious answer: he (correctly) blasts the moves of a team that is horrible, that is so embarrassingly devoid of success over the last decade that it would be hard to swallow in fictional form. But hey, just hating, right.

BTW, why process server? Did you think of Undertaker, but realize it was taken? Were you tickled pink by the little punchline at the end and think it would cleverly punctuate your post? Oh yes, do continue to downvote my posts. The more you all dislike them, the more I'm convinced I'm right.

Let me be clear: there's absolutely nothing that most of you can do to convince me otherwise. I have respect for none of you. A handful of you have shown signs of intelligence (not you, obviously), but the rest have not. So if you want to keep swinging and missing, go right ahead. It's a waste of your time, Leonard Small (look it up and pretend that you read the book).

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process server (Anonymous Poster)
18 day(s) 12 hour(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

I also love your ignorance in saying that I'm obvious lying about Johnson.  You acting like the internet and game film don't exist. Then when I brought that up and proved you wrong about it, you stuck with your weak ass argument "I don't believe you" lol, oh man, ignorance is bliss isn't it?  

Again, out of your league kid, and I hope you took this verbal beating as a lesson to never act like your smarter around someone who is clearly smarter than you.  I can only hope, deep down somewhere that sunk in, but who am I kidding, you still think everyone who disagrees with you is wrong because you fancy your opinion as gospel.

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
17 day(s) 21 hour(s) ago - hide

@process server Once again: you're clearly lying. If you think that Johnson is one of the best playmakers in the draft, then you would have had to scout all other playmakers to make that decision. It's a ridiculous claim. Here's what happened: in your attempt to paint the Browns as innocent martyrs in Walt's ongoing disappointment with them, you looked at Johnson's film after he was drafted and decided he was good. That's exactly what happened.

Hey, if you want to feel smarter than me, go right ahead. I can't imagine that you've ever had that feeling in real life, so I'll extend another olive branch to you (which you swatted away last time while throwing a temper tantrum) and let you have it. Cool?

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
17 day(s) 20 hour(s) ago - hide

@Robert K "Then when I brought that up and proved you wrong about it, you stuck with your weak ass argument "I don't believe you" lol, oh man, ignorance is bliss isn't it?"

I don't think you understand the concept of "proof." Literally every geometry, logic, and science course in existence covers this very basic concept.

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process server (Anonymous Poster)
18 day(s) 16 hour(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

Again, so weak.  I don't really care if you believe me or not, it's more convenient for you to just choose not to believe me so you can save some face and look like less of a fool so you can placate your fragile little ego.  Keep on nitpicking and reaching to make your "points" as you call them.  I've given up trying to converse with your ignorance.  It's like trying to argue with a completely plastered person, and I've wasted far too much of life talking to a silly little internet troll like yourself.

I've obviously got on your nerves because now you're resorting to pathetic personal shots to an "internet stranger" who you don't know.  It's so funny that your so called "intelligent point" of yours is "I don't believe you," and, uh, that's it.  My 5 year-old cousin could come up with a better argument than that. It's been a while since I've run into an ignorant jackass of this magnitude with his head this far up his own ass, and it makes me feel so much better about myself, so I would like to thank you.  The fact that you disagree with me is really a blessing.  I couldn't be happier.  I would become severely depressed if someone like you agreed with me. 

You really like people named Leonard don't you.  I don't know who Leonard Small is but if the book of which you speak looks good I might pick it up and give it a try.  Or, I could take a page out of the "Robert K" argument book and say "I don't believe you," but I'm not gonna stoop that low.  I really hope you hit me hard with your response.  Every poorly illustrated insult you throw at me brings me nothing but warm fuzzy feelings that scum like you disagrees with me.  So please, do me a favor and continue to disagree with me to give me one last laugh!

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
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@process server "I don't really care if you believe me or not."

Yes, you do. That's why you keep bringing it up.

"The fact that you disagree with me is really a blessing.  I couldn't be happier.  I would become severely depressed if someone like you agreed with me."

Wow. You just blatantly stole that from me. Either you're a shameless plagiarist or (as I assume) you really do have Leonard Shelby syndrome. Not witty enough to come up with your own dismissal, eh?

"

@process server "I don't really care if you believe me or not."

Yes, you do. That's why you keep bringing it up.

"The fact that you disagree with me is really a blessing.  I couldn't be happier.  I would become severely depressed if someone like you agreed with me."

Wow. You just blatantly stole that from me. Either you're a shameless plagiarist or (as I assume) you really do have Leonard Shelby syndrome. Not witty enough to come up with your own dismissal, eh?

"You really like people named Leonard don't you."

End your questions with the proper punctuation last time. As to your question, not really. Leonard Nimoy and Leonard Cohen (look him up) are both extraordinarily overrated.

"I don't know who Leonard Small is but if the book of which you speak looks good I might pick it up and give it a try."

It's from "Of Mice and Men," which anyone who has been educated beyond the ninth grade already knows.

" I really hope you hit me hard with your response.  Every poorly illustrated insult you throw at me brings me nothing but warm fuzzy feelings that scum like you disagrees with me.  So please, do me a favor and continue to disagree with me to give me one last laugh!"

See the response above regarding plagiarism. Wait, I'm sure you already forgot. Here it is again: "Wow. You just blatantly stole that from me. Either you're a shameless plagiarist or (as I assume) you really do have Leonard Shelby syndrome. Not witty enough to come up with your own dismissal, eh?"




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