Live 2015 NFL Draft Grades: Round 2



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  1. New York Giants: Landon Collins, S, Alabama: B Grade
    The Giants dealt a fourth- and a seventh-round pick to move up to this spot. And I can see why they did it. Landon Collins was seen as a first-round prospect by many, but he slipped into the second frame. He potentially fills a huge need for the team, and if the Giants had their hearts set on filling the safety spot, they almost had to move up because there are no other players at the position worth taking in the second round.

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  2. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Donovan Smith, OT, Penn State: C+ Grade
    It had to be one of the tackles, and I would've gone with Jake Fisher over Donovan McNabb, erm, Smith. I think it's a mistake to pass on Fisher. Smith is very athletic, but never developed at Penn State - and I say this as a Nittany Lion alumnus. Smith has motivation issues, so taking him atop Round 2 is awfully risky. He has the potential to be a Pro Bowler, but he could just as easily bust.

  3. Oakland Raiders: Mario Edwards, DE/DT, Florida State: B- Grade
    The Raiders passed on Leonard Williams in the first round, neglecting a huge need they had at defensive tackle. They had to address it on Day 2, and they managed to do so with this selection. It's a bit early for the undersized Mario Edwards - I had him at the end of Round 2 in most of my mock updates - but I can understand why the Raiders would pull the trigger on the Florida State product.

  4. Jacksonville Jaguars: T.J. Yeldon, RB, Alabama: A Grade
    Great job by Charlie Campbell calling this one. Teams were considering T.J. Yeldon at the end of the first round, so the Jaguars had to be thrilled that he made it to them at No. 36. Jacksonville needed to find a running back to upgrade predicted bust Toby Gerhart, and Yeldon was the best player available at the position.



  5. New York Jets: Devin Smith, WR, Ohio State: B+ Grade
    I had the wrong receiver going to the Jets, but I thought they'd address the position. They added Brandon Marshall this offseason to complement Eric Decker, but the aging former Bear will probably be on the team for just one year. The Jets wanted to find a receiver for the future for whomever they plan on playing at quarterback, and the speedy Smith should serve as a strong option.

  6. Washington Redskins: Preston Smith, DE/OLB, Mississippi State: B+ Grade
    The Redskins lost Brian Orakpo this offseason, so it's not a big surprise that they added an edge rusher early in the 2015 NFL Draft. They selected Trent Murphy last year, but Murphy, Ryan Kerrigan and now Preston Smith can form a stout rotation. Smith was pretty underrated throughout this entire process. He's an athletic edge rusher whom I thought had a chance of sneaking into the first round.

  7. Chicago Bears: Eddie Goldman, NT, Florida State: B Grade
    It almost had to be a nose tackle, right? The Bears are moving to the 3-4, and they didn't have any sort of run-plugger in the middle of the defensive line. The Dick Butkus-approved Eddie Goldman now becomes that player. This is the right range for Goldman, who may have had a chance to be taken at the end of the first round. He'll play only two downs for the Bears, but he'll actually give Chicago a chance to get to third-and-long.

  8. Tennessee Titans: Dorial Green-Beckham, WR, Oklahoma: A Grade
    Boom. Dorial Green-Beckham is a top-10 talent in this draft. He would be going that high if it wasn't for his character issues. The Titans have done enough digging on Green-Beckham and thought he was worth a second-round selection. He figures to be the perfect complement for Marcus Mariota; the Titans have a bunch of No. 2 or 3 receivers, but no top target. That's no longer the case. If he stays clean, Green-Beckham could become a perennial Pro Bowler. He's a risk, but the Titans obtained a fourth-round selection via the Giants just in case he busts, so that mitigates the gamble.

  9. Carolina Panthers: Devin Funchess, TE, Michigan: MILLEN Grade
    Eww... This wouldn't be a truly terrible pick if the Panthers simply selected Devin Funchess at their spot in the second round, but they surrendered third- and a sixth-rounders in the process? Uhh... why!? Funchess is a man without a true position. He's too slow to be a receiver, and there were better wideouts available. He's too small to be a tight end, and there were better tight ends available. This selection makes no sense on so many levels.

  10. Atlanta Falcons: Jalen Collins, CB, LSU: C+ Grade
    Dan Quinn wanted a tall cornerback, and Jalen Collins satisfies that. The Falcons love athleticism, and Collins satisfies that. This seems like a great pick for those two reasons, but it's not. Colliins is not a very good football player, and he has some character issues. There were better options available for the Falcons who would've filled bigger needs. Collins could work out, but he has high bust potential.

  11. Houston Texans: Benardrick McKinney, ILB, Mississippi State: B Grade
    The Texans really liked Benardrick McKinney heading into the draft, but never thought they'd have a chance to get him in the middle of the second round. That's why they surrendered fourth- and sixth-round selections to move up for him. I'm not crazy about the trade because there are numerous other inside linebackers worth taking like Denzel Perryman and Eric Kendricks, but there's no denying that Houston is getting good value with McKinney.

  12. New Orleans Saints: Hau'oli Kikaha, DE/OLB, Washington: MAYMILLEN BOXING KIELBASA Grade
    WHOA... I didn't even have Hau'oli Kikaha being drafted, and there were teams that didn't even have him on their boards because of numerous knee injuries. The Saints could've A) obtained safer players who are close in terms of talent, or B) waited several rounds to draft Kikaha. This is a major head-scratcher.



  13. Minnesota Vikings: Eric Kendricks, ILB, UCLA: A+ Grade
    This is my favorite pick of the second round so far. Eric Kendricks is a first-round prospect. I had him going to Nos. 24 and 30 in various updates of my mock draft. He should've been the first inside linebacker off the board, so he's an absolute steal in the middle of the second frame. He fills a huge need for Minnesota in the middle of its defense.

  14. San Francisco 49ers: Jaquiski Tartt, S, Samford: D Grade
    I made a disgusting-looking face when I saw this pick. I wish you could've seen it. That's pretty much the same face I've made for every single decision the 49ers have made in the past year. Their franchise is a disaster, and so is this pick. Jaquiski Tartt is a third-round prospect at best and could've easily been chosen in the fourth frame. This pick doesn't make much sense. San Francisco could've taken a safety of equal talent later.

  15. Philadelphia Eagles: Eric Rowe, CB/S, Utah: B+ Grade
    Unlike yesterday, the Eagles were able to trade up. They dealt both of their fifth-round selections, but received a sixth-rounder in return. Like yesterday, Chip Kelly obtained a Pac-12 prospect. Eric Rowe makes more sense to me than Nelson Agholor. Rowe is big and very athletic, and he can play both the cornerback and safety positions. He should help Philadelphia's putrid secondary.

  16. San Diego Chargers: Denzel Perryman, ILB, Miami: A- Grade
    Denzel Perryman could've gone earlier than this - I had him sneaking into the first round of my mock draft after hearing there was some interest - so I like this pick. Perryman could start at inside linebacker as a rookie, displacing Donald Butler, who was downright awful in 2014. It could be argued that the Chargers could've used a blocker for Philip Rivers or a pass-rusher to get after Peyton Manning, but it's hard to hate this pick.



  17. Kansas City Chiefs: Mitch Morse, C/G, Missouri: C+ Grade
    Mitch Morse is an athletic interior lineman who can play both center and guard. The Chiefs had to address the former position with Rodney Hudson gone. I think this is a bit too early for Morse, but I'm not so sure he would've been available for the Chiefs in the third round. Kansas City could've traded down, which would've salvaged this grade. However, Morse should end up being a decent player for the Chiefs.

  18. Buffalo Bills: Ronald Darby, CB, Florida State: A Grade
    Not a quarterback! It's a victory for the Bills, who sounded like they were getting duped by Bryce Petty. There was discussion that Ronald Darby could go at the end of the first or top of the second round, so Buffalo is getting a steal at No. 50. The Bills have some expiring contracts at the position in the near future, so Darby should be able to step in as the starter as early as 2016.

  19. Cleveland Browns: Nate Orchard, DE/OLB, Utah: C+ Grade
    This is a round too early for Nate Orchard, as there were were better pass-rushers available. I get the selection - Barkevious Mingo does a lot well, but doesn't do a good job of rushing the passer - so Orchard makes sense, given that he nearly had 20 sacks for the Utes last season. The Browns could've gone a different direction in terms of taking an edge rusher, but they at least moved down prior to making the pick.

  20. Miami Dolphins: Jordan Phillips, DT, Oklahoma: C+ Grade
    Wow, how many massive defensive tackles do the Dolphins need? Jordan Phillips is a massive man who happens to be very athletic for his size. The problem is that he doesn't play football very well. I thought he might go in the first round, which would've been a big reach. He makes sense in this range, but I don't like the scheme or need fit very much. The silver lining is that Miami moved down and picked up extra picks in the process.



  21. Cincinnati Bengals: Jake Fisher, OT, Oregon: B+ Grade
    Uhh... another tackle!? I guess the good news is that the Bengals know that they have a blind-side protector if Cedric Ogbuehi busts, and they're selecting the best player available, as Jake Fisher was receiving first-round buzz. The bad news is that Cincinnati apparently won't have Andre Smith or Andrew Whitworth next year, meaning they'll have to count on both second-year tackles to protect Andy Dalton.

  22. Detroit Lions: Ameer Abdullah, RB, Nebraska: A Grade
    Reggie Bush had a nice start to his Detroit career, but he flamed out, making countless mistakes toward the end of his tenure there. The Lions had to find a replacement for Bush, and they managed to do so with Ameer Abdullah, a game-breaking running back who can go the distance every time he touches the ball. Abdullah could develop into a three-down back if he learns how to block better. Even still, he'll make the Lions' offense so much more explosive.

  23. Baltimore Ravens: Maxx Williams, TE, Minnesota: A+ Grade
    If you're the Falcons or another team with a glaring need at tight end, and you passed on Maxx Williams and later saw Ozzie Newsome select him in the very same round, what are you thinking? Probably, "Ah, crap, we f***ed up." It's true. I don't know what those teams were thinking because this is an absolute steal. Williams could've easily gone at the end of the first round, but the Ravens aren't complaining. He'll provide a boost on offense while filling a huge need for them.

  24. Pittsburgh Steelers: Senquez Golson, CB, Ole Miss: C- Grade
    Call me shocked that the Steelers chose Senquez Golson over Alex Carter or P.J. Williams... or a bunch of other cornerbacks. First of all, Golson is just 5-foot-9, so he doesn't have the size Pittsburgh usually likes at the position. Second, Golson was a Round 4-5 prospect. This is too early for him, especially with so many better players available at the position.



  25. St. Louis Rams: Rob Havenstein, OT, Wisconsin: MILLEN HAVING FUN WITH DIRECTV HANNAH'S HORSE Grade
    WOW. Did Pisa Tinoisamoa read the wrong name off the card? That was the first thought I had when the former Ram linebacker announced the selection. Rob Havenstein barely made my mock draft; I had him slotted in the seventh round. I guess the Rams didn't watch or scout the Senior Bowl practices because Havenstein was abused in every practice. He didn't look like he belonged. Blegh.

  26. Arizona Cardinals: Markus Golden, DE/OLB, Missouri: B- Grade
    After some NFL personnel men looked at a mock draft of mine back in February, I was told to move Markus Golden down to the third or fourth round. Obviously, I didn't talk to anyone from Arizona. Having said that, I don't mind Golden at the end of the second round, given that I admittedly had him at the end of the first frame at some point. Golden could potentially help solve Arizona's pass-rushing issues from the edge.

  27. Denver Broncos: Ty Sambrailo, OT, Colorado State: C Grade
    Meh. That's how I feel about this pick. Meh. Ty Sambrailo was a third- or fourth-round prospect for me, so Denver is picking him a bit early. Still, the selection makes sense, as the Broncos had to find an upgrade at the right tackle position to help protect the ancient Peyton Manning.

  28. Dallas Cowboys: Randy Gregory, DE/OLB, Nebraska: A Grade
    ESPN is gushing about the Cowboys being the right place for Randy Gregory. Call me crazy, but I don't think a locker room comprised of Dez Bryant and Greg Hardy is a great fit. Having said that, I really like this pick; I had Dallas taking Gregory in the first round of my mock, so this is a steal. Gregory may have been the third-overall selection if he was completely clean off the field. Of course, he's not, and what he has going on behind the scenes is a major concern. NFL personnel have said that they think he may not last five years in the NFL. However, the Cowboys are ready to win now. Tony Romo just turned 35, and Jerry Jones doesn't have many years left either. They're in position to win a Super Bowl, and Gregory should be able to help with his awesome pass-rushing ability.

  29. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Ali Marpet, C/G/OT, Hobart: B+ Grade
    The Buccaneers moved up for Ali Marpet? Why, you ask? Because the Seahawks were set to select him. Ali Marpet is definitely worth a late second-round pick; he can play every position up front, which is important for a team with multiple holes on its offensive line. Marpet is highly athletic and was coveted by one of the top-drafting teams in the NFL, so this is very promising for the Buccaneers.

  30. Green Bay Packers: Quinten Rollins, CB, Miami of Ohio: B+ Grade
    Quinten Rollins, as you may know by now, is a former basketball player who doesn't have much football experience. He's a talented prospect though, and he's well worth this selection, as I had him pegged as a late second-rounder. He also fills a big need; the Packers lost several cornerbacks this offseason, so they had to address the position. I'm just a bit confused that they would draft a corner under six feet tall.

  31. Seattle Seahawks: Frank Clark, DE/OLB, Michigan: B Grade
    The Seahawks decided not to pick up the fifth-year option on Bruce Irvin's contract, so here's his replacement. Frank Clark is another ultra-talented pass-rusher who dropped because of character issues. Clark has numerous things on is rap sheet, including domestic violence. He was clear of those charges, but Clark dealt with other issues as well. Still, the Seahawks have taken chances on troubled players before and had it pay off, so this selection could definitely help their team.

  32. New England Patriots: Jordan Richards, S, Stanford: C Grade
    Leave it to Bill Belichick to select a fifth-round defensive back in the second round. He'll probably make it work too. I guess I'm stubborn, so I'll need to see it happen again. Jordan Richards was seen as a third-day prospect, so this is definitely a reach. Belichick does have a good track record though, so I'll give him the slight benefit of the doubt.

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Nick (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 8 day(s) ago - hide

"Rob Havenstein was a late-round prospect. Jamon Brown was possible UDFA fodder."

I still come here on rainy days to laugh at that sentence. Thank you. And you're welcome for the clicks. 

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ravensfan (Anonymous Poster)
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Boom or bust perriman? Lmao at practice he get drops less now. Torrey wasn't enough fast to get flacco's pass so now rookie speed? And ravens like those rookies, tell me how they get overrated? Explain good point SIMPLE
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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
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@ravensfan In English, please.
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rot (Anonymous Poster)
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Again you overrated the Ravens draft. Perriman is a boom or bust who does not play to his speed. The 4.25 was also run at his Pro Day, where all players run faster than at the combine. In other years, Williams is the 5th or 6th best tight end. His status was elevated by the weak tight end class. IMHO, he was a 4th rounder. Davis' motor does not run all of the time and he did not have a good senior year. Allen was a 4th rounder and went about the spot he should have. Boyle ran a 5.04 at the combine, you have readers and contributors who are faster. Waller is slow in and out of breaks. Myers is a huge project.

Newsome has had many stellar drafts, but like all of them, has had his share of busts; Kyle Boller,; Travis Taylor; Mark Clayton; Sergio kindle; Terrence Cody; Jah Reid; Mark Elam; Arthur Brown; Dan Cody among others. So, let's not canonize him.

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dinner (Anonymous Poster)
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@rot IMO, Smith + Davis > Perriman + Williams
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Cheifs guy (Anonymous Poster)
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A couple comments, regarding the KC Chiefs pick and the grading, at #18.  

Firstly, Andy Reid is indeed the head coach, but he is not responsible for player personnel.  You must assume Andy must be the guy.  This makes you look ignorant about the Chiefs organization.  The person responsible is the GM John Dorsey.  Sure, Andy has input, but the analysis don't even mention John.  

Secondly, look at the other guys in the draft this year and even those in the NFL with problems.  With the talent Peters brings, I don't really see that this pick is that big of a risk at pick #18.  At least no bigger a risk than other players that you rank higher and were picked higher and have shown they have major off the field problems.  Time will tell and I think you may have to eat some humble pie on your not so insightful comments.  Else, I will.   


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Cheifs guy (Anonymous Poster)
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A couple comments, regarding the KC Chiefs pick and the grading, at #18.  

Firstly, Andy Reid is indeed the head coach, but he is not responsible for player personnel.  You must assume Andy must be the guy.  This makes you look ignorant about the Chiefs organization.  The person responsible is the GM John Dorsey.  Sure, Andy has input, but the analysis don't even mention John.  

Secondly, look at the other guys in the draft this year and even those in the NFL with problems.  With the talent Peters brings, I don't really see that this pick is that big of a risk at pick #18.  At least no bigger a risk than other players that you rank higher and were picked higher and have shown they have major off the field problems.  Time will tell and I think you may have to eat some humble pie on your not so insightful comments.  Else, I will.   


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Cheifs guy (Anonymous Poster)
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A couple comments, regarding the KC Chiefs pick and the grading, at #18.  

Firstly, Andy Reid is indeed the head coach, but he is not responsible for player personnel.  You must assume Andy must be the guy.  This makes you look ignorant about the Chiefs organization.  The person responsible is the GM John Dorsey.  Sure, Andy has input, but the analysis don't even mention John.  

Secondly, look at the other guys in the draft this year and even those in the NFL with problems.  With the talent Peters brings, I don't really see that this pick is that big of a risk at pick #18.  At least no bigger a risk than other players that you rank higher and were picked higher and have shown they have major off the field problems.  Time will tell and I think you may have to eat some humble pie on your not so insightful comments.  Else, I will.   


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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
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@Robert K 

I guess there were more irrational and desperate comments you wanted to throw at me.  8 to be exact.

1. Yet again your ego never ceases to amaze me.  I say that because it is how I truly feel, and it has nothing to do with what you said.  But go ahead, keep on thinking that. I don't care, your so full of yourself you won't allow yourself to think anything else anyway.

2. As for you never calling out Walt for some occasional Steeler bashing, you don't even believe that, and it's obvious that you're lying.  You can call pointing out your hypocrisies "reaching" if you want, it only points more towards your inability to argue.

3. I called you a terrible person based on all the evidence, that's all.  When you act like a terrible person, you're going to be called that.  Change your general attitude then maybe people will stop calling you that.  Pretty simple.

4. Nice contradiction.  First you say you didn't call Walt under qualified, then in the very next sentence you say that he is not qualified?  Tell me, if he is not qualified {based on your flawed logic and incredible reach} then how is he not under qualified?  

5. Just proving me right about the "terrible person" remark that so obviously touched a nerve with you, probably because its not the first time you've been defined as such.  Classless bashing with witless remarks are not the acts of a good person.  A lot of the comments here are largely subjective and to be so disrespectful to basically everyone just speaks to your character.

6. LOL irrelevant.  It totally tears apart your argument, so naturally you would arbitrarily label it as "irrelevant."  It doesn't negate what I said at all.  Just because Johnson was one of the first backs I looked up it doesn't mean I looked up others afterwards.  Besides, I never said I I only looked up Johnson and nobody else.  All I said was after I saw him play I knew he would be one of the better ones, then after looking up an ample amount of others my belief was solidified.  So congrats on misquoting and being wrong.  Again.

7. Actually my first reply was 7 days ago to your comment that was 9 days ago, so nice lie.  I apologize for the hiatus of my last comment, I'm sure you've been awaiting eagerly for my response due to the alarmingly large amount free time you have.  I just wish I could see the look on your dopey little face as you sit there in anticipation lol.  Keep thinking about me!

8. I wasn't hurt at all by that comment, but if it helps your ego to tell yourself that you have that big of an influence on people who don't respect you at all {i.e. me} then go ahead, whom am I to get in the way of that.  I was just tired of you bringing that up to distract yourself from the verbal beat down I'm giving you {and you still bring it up! Amazing.}, so I decided to change pseudonyms in the hopes that you would stay relevant in regards to the argument, but I was foolish to think you would do that. 

There.  Served again.  I can only hope that this ignorant display is just a facade and you're only being this flagrantly ignorant and wrong because you are too full of yourself or proud {for some reason} to admit when you've been beat.  Keep on swinging and missing {OH a common expression, have you ever said that before?  If you did then I must be plagiarizing lol.  Please learn what plagiarizing means before you use it in an argument to prevent further embarrassment}.  And btw I will keep laughing at you!  That's the first correct thing you've said this whole time!

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Someone with a life (Anonymous Poster)
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@royale with cheese Get a life!
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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
2 month(s) 22 day(s) ago - hide

@royale with cheese Eww. Served again. I can't believe you're still at it with that humiliating gag. The returns have officially diminished to nothing, so this will be my last reply to you. It's obvious that you are simply not intelligent enough to debate on the simplest of subjects. You can't tell the difference between stating that someone is unqualified to make a specific statement and that someone is unqualified to do a job. Your problem, not mine. You don't know the meaning of the word "best." You can't see your own internal logical flaws when stating that you only need to see a player's film in isolation to say that he's one of the best playmakers available. You think plagiarism is simply the repeating of random words, rather than the wholesale theft of phrases (what a surprise, the "process server" doesn't have an education!).

Here's what it all comes down to: you were deeply hurt and embarrassed when I pointed out how absolutely stupid your "process server" gag was, refused two different apologies, and have gone off on several rants without a single original thought based on that initial hurt. I say this with complete sincerity: you are not a respectable person, you have not displayed a single shred of intellect, and you are a person of astonishing emotional fragility. Seek help. I'm done here.

And yes: I've dealt with enough trolls to understand how you've rigged the game. When someone replies, you claim victory because they're engaging with you. When they don't, you claim victory when the stop because clearly they must know they've lost. I know the drill. Do what you have to do. I wish you all the best with the limited capabilities and enormous fragilities you've been cursed with.

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Rational J (Anonymous Poster)
2 month(s) 5 day(s) ago - hide
@Robert K  Girls aren't attracted to you, are they?
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
2 month(s) 4 day(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

Thank you again Robert K.  The fact that you don't think I'm a respectable person must mean I am a pretty good guy.  Man I must have really got under your skin for you to throw that many insults at me without refuting any of my points at all.  Man I must have really pissed you off!  Take this as a lesson to never get into an argument with someone who is smarter than you, you'll just end up embarrassing yourself.  

Thanks for the laughs Robert K!  Hope you've learned from this verbal beat down I've been more than happy to give you!

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Vikes167 (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 16 day(s) ago - hide
Did this guy just Clemmings could start at LT? it'd be a huge miracle, because he won't even be in competition/playing LT, rather he will be competing with David Yankey to play LG. Though I must say i am surprised, a lot of people aren't hating the Vikes class like they do every year. another thing, Don't doubt Bryce Petty, that was a brilliant pick by the Jets, he can develop into a solid starter
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Rational J (Anonymous Poster)
2 month(s) 5 day(s) ago - hide
@Vikes167   Actually, you couldn't possibly be more wrong- Bryce Petty is Brandon Weeden 2.0 and will stink.
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ChuckD (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 7 day(s) ago - hide
You are such a Steeler homer! You contradict yourself consistently to give the Squelaers high draft grades, then give other teams like the Browns lower draft grades for VERY GOOD players! SMDH!! People who have been paid a lot more than you to evaluate NFL talent have graded the Browns Draft as the second best of the year, but you give them a C-.... That's comical; and totally kills your credibility! But Browns fans have known for years you have serious bias issues when it come to the AFC North in general; and specifically the Browns.
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Rational J (Anonymous Poster)
2 month(s) 5 day(s) ago - hide
@ChuckD   Yes, yes- who could possibly take issue with anything the vaunted Browns front office does?  Things have gone so swimmingly for you these last 15 years!  But I'm sure THIS draft class (like every one before it this time of year) is going to turn things around for the downtrodden Clevelanders.  I imagine Cleveland is a real-life version of that city in the movie "Idiocracy".   
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Bengals Fan (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 25 day(s) ago - hide
I think you overlooked some points when grading the Bengals. The biggest points being the missing players from last year due to injury and free agency. Eiffert and Marvin Jones missed almost the whole year and Green missed a lot of time near the end so just getting them back is a major boost to the offence. Also Geno was recovering, he under performed but there is reason to hope a whole off season of strengthening will change that and they now have Johnson back where he played awesome a couple years ago. These points are most likely why the Bengals didn't feel the need to burn draft picks at these positions but rather build in positions they had the luxury to upgrade. I appreciate your analysis it just seems like this rating is a little lazy. 
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Bengals Fan (Anonymous Poster)
2 month(s) 28 day(s) ago - hide
@Bengals Fan Walt I would like to hear your opinion on this if you get the time.
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Rational J (Anonymous Poster)
2 month(s) 5 day(s) ago - hide
@Bengals Fan  Clearly Walt DGAF what you think and pining for his approval is incredibly sad.
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 12 day(s) ago - hide

Also, perhaps u should choose to actually read my quotes that you chose.  In one quote I say some play makers, and the other quote i say many RB's.  Again, running backs and play makers are two totally different things, so yet another swing and a miss on your part.  Keep on reaching to make your "points" instead of admitting defeat. You don't take verbal beating very well do you? The least you could have done is look graceful in defeat, but you have failed at that as well.  Pity.

Any other irrational or desperate comments u want to throw at me?

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 11 day(s) ago - hide

@royale with cheese 

Because of your refusal to address my points in a rational manner, I'll just do this response as a numbered list. You should reply in the same manner in order to actually reply to all of them.

1. Is the "keep it up" and "thanks for the laughs!" a bit now? You've repeatedly ripped off those lines from me and just keep posting them. You can’t just call them common phrases, as you are lifting phrases word for word from my posts. Are you really incapable of crafting your own material?

2. I've never bashed Walt for hating on the Steelers. He is, in fact, frequently too light on them. I detested both the Colson and Coates picks (D- and F in my book, respectively) and thought he was way too light on the Mike Mitchell signing last year (also an F as far as I'm concerned). Don't bother looking for me complaining about Walt hating. That material does not exist. You were saying something about reaching?

3. I apologized (twice) for getting personal. I've bashed your intelligence multiple times due to overwhelming evidence that you don't have much going on upstairs, and you decide to get viciously personal and call me a "terrible person" because of some message board disagreements? That's just sad.7.

4. I didn't call Walt underqualified. I said he wasn't qualified to say who the BEST player in the draft was if he hadn't scouted them all. First, you reject the dictionary meaning of a term ("best") because it doesn't support your argument; you follow that up by strawmanning another of my posts in order to claim a victory you haven't earned. It failed...miserably.

5. "then why do you feel the compelling urge to bash people who disagree with him and "like" his analysis?"

I don't suffer fools gladly, nor do I pretend that their absurd beliefs have any grounds in reality. Given how I've responded to your posts, you should know that by now.

5. "Keep on thinking about me to an unhealthy extent and bring me some more of those "theories about me!  I love it!"

Theories like "you're a terrible person?" You were saying something in your post about hypocrisy?

6. "In one quote I say some play makers, and the other quote i say many RB's.”

Irrelevant. your post about watching Johnson's film and being convinced *without any other evidence* that he was one of the best playmakers in the draft negates what you subsequently said. You're trying to cover your tracks, and it is failing.

7. "I'm sure I can go back and dig up all the times u praise Walt and think his analysis is great, but I obviously don't have as much free time as you."

Yes, you do. Your first reply to my last post was (as of this post) 27 hours ago. You checked in 5 hours later, was dismayed to see I hadn't replied, and so wrote yet another one. You have plenty of free time.

8. "Keep on thinking of me and writing all those long posts, I enjoy living rent free inside your head!"

You were clearly very hurt when I insulted your lame "process server" character and got really vicious when I tried to apologize, so who is living rent free inside whose head?

But please, do tell me more about my long posts while writing 3 in reply. Do continue to steal my insults, and by all means, continue to pretend that you weren't insanely inconsistent in your evaluation of Johnson. You can keep laughing. At this point, I'm just sincerely sorry for the people in your life if this is how you function there. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that this is just a strange internet troll act (you're welcome).

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Someone with a life (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 4 day(s) ago - hide
@Robert K Get a life!
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 5 day(s) ago - hide
btw Robert K I accused you of being a troll, and now you do it to me!  OBVIOUSLY PLAGIARIZING!  I also said things like "assuming" and "keep on" before so you are OBVIOUSLY plagiarizing that too!  How dare you!
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process server (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 22 day(s) ago - hide
Not to mention Walt said that they didn't get a play maker, and Duke Johnson is CLEARLY one.  Anyone who watched him play at Miami knows he's a play maker at RB who specializes at catching the ball and getting in the open field, ala Darren Sproles.  I was really hoping the Browns drafted him if he was still there in the 3rd round; Cleveland could use a Darren Sproles type of player on offense.
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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 21 day(s) ago - hide
@process server Lots of players look good in college. The competition is inferior. Limas Sweed dominated in college; nobody would mistake him for a playmaker. It's all projection. That you saw a playmaker in Johnson does not mean he will be one. This is, again, an obvious observation. In fact, I'll just go ahead and call it the best in human history given your distorted definition of the term.
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process server (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 21 day(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

nitpick nitpick nitpick, man you continue to reach and reach after you've been beat instead of just manning up and admitting it.  Again, thanks for the laughs your ignorance really is mind boggling and amusing.

You are once again confusing OPINION with FACT.  It is my OPINION that Johnson is one of the better play makers at RB in the draft after looking up the other top RB's, and is going to be good.  No shi t just because he was really good in college doesn't necessarily mean he'll be good in the NFL, but it is my OPINION that he will be.  Do you understand the difference between opinion and fact now?  Were you sick that day of second grade when they taught that or did you just never get past that point in education?  Or will your terribly inflated and misplaced ego continue to think anybody who disagrees with your opinion is disagreeing with fact?  Thanks for the painfully obvious observation, what are you going to tell me next that 2+2=4?  Dude just stop, for your sake, you're embarrassing yourself.

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 21 day(s) ago - hide

@process server I'm not confusing opinion with fact. Your opinion is that Johnson is one of the best running backs in the draft. It is an unfounded statement, as you have admitted that you haven't extensively scouted the position. If I say "I think that process server (seriously, why that name?) is an intelligent person with lots of interesting things to say," but can't point to a single statement to back that up (and I can't), then my opinion is unfounded. Basic logic. I have not, in any way, confused opinion with fact. I have not distorted definitions based on narcissism (read the definition of best again very slowly), nor have I played the victim when someone accurately points out that I have no basis to reach a conclusion.

You like Johnson? Fine. You think he'll be a good player? No problem. You think he's one of the best playmakers in the draft when you haven't begun to look over the others is an unfounded opinion that would be trashed by any objective observer.

This is all what happened, and once again it took you over a week to finally discover the central point of my arguments. Wow. BTW, who has time to scout every player? I'm guessing you do while you're not reading literature, coming up with your own dismissive retorts, and accepting ribbons for being the "best" student despite performing in the lowest 10% of your class due to lack of effort and intelligence.

Keep petting those soft rabbits, and while you're at it consider tattooing the definition of best on your forearm. It may help.

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process server (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 19 day(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

Aright, go ahead, stick by your weak argument, since you clearly don't have the balls to admit you're wrong.  Keep on lashing out and taking personal shots, because, you know, that's not how a sore loser acts.  Keep on giving me those warm fuzzy feelings that someone like you doesn't agree with me.  Keep on making me laugh with those aggressively witless remarks, because I can tell you think you're being clever, and that really makes it funny!  Keep on telling yourself whatever you have to tell yourself to help you get through the day.

Keep on keeping on!  You're ignorance is bliss and never ceases to amaze me!  Maybe one day you'll be able to learn from this verbal beating I've given you over the past week, or just keep on living in ignorance, I don't care.

P.S., since Walt has not scouted every player in the draft {every year there are many prospects that go undrafted or are drafted late that he admittedly doesn't know how hasn't looked into}, using that logic that means he also doesn't now what he's talking about and he is "lying" lol.  I just hope it doesn't effect your relationship at all, I think you two make a great couple.

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 14 day(s) ago - hide

@process server It's amazing how you're not witty enough to come up with your own retorts. I called you out several times on blatantly lifting them from me, yet you continue to do it.

P.S. I didn't say that Walt was qualified to say who the best player in the draft is. The lying remark was directed specifically at you and not to the draft community in general. The number of straw man arguments (look it up) you have trotted out is staggering.

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Mr.B (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 8 day(s) ago - hide
@Robert K So Walt is right and the Browns fan base so look forward to a 1-15 year?
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 12 day(s) ago - hide

@ Robert K

I'm sure I can go back and dig up all the times u praise Walt and think his analysis is great, but I obviously don't have as much free time as you.  I'm sure there are times where you bash Walt for hating on your precious Steelers, just like these other "homer" fans do, yet you spew your classless hate at them.  Good job on being a hypocrite and a terrible person!  Although that is definitely not the first time someone has called you a terrible person, and it certainly won't be the last. If he is so under-qualified {according to your flawed logic} then why do you feel the compelling urge to bash people who disagree with him and "like" his analysis?  Keep on contradicting yourself kid, you never cease to amaze me! You really believe you're misguided theories and assumptions are true, its amazing!  I don't think I've ever witnessed an ego of this caliber that wasn't deserved in the slightest.  It's truly a humorous experience!  Keep on bringing it please!  Keep on thinking about me to an unhealthy extent and bring me some more of those "theories about me!  I love it!

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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 12 day(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

YES!  Keep it up please!  I love it when you keep on nitpicking and reaching and reaching.  It's a sign of defeat and the farther out you reach the better I feel!  Keep it coming!  Your ridiculous and over-analyzed "points" as you call them {that's so adorable} keep bringing me those warm fuzzy feelings!  Keep on thinking your the first one to use very general and common expressions and that I "plagiarized" you lol, your ego knows no bounds!  Keep on thinking of me and writing all those long posts, I enjoy living rent free inside your head!  and again thanks for the laughs!

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PDH (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 19 day(s) ago - hide
Draft grades are such BS. Not even coaches can exactly predict how their picks will turn out let alone "writers". I just love how they elaborate on why they give their grades on every team's draft class. Like player A was a reach or player B was a steal. No one knows anything until these guys get on the field. It just bugs me how these writers grade draft picks and determine which pick was a reach and not, like they now it all. I bet they haven't watched a second of tape on over half of those prospects and yet they have their opinions about every player. What makes you think you know about a prospect more than the actual team that drafts that prospect? You're telling me, you've put in more time in evaluating a prospect than any of these teams' coaches and GMs? Every team has its own draft board that is created based on their own system and schemes. Your opinion means nothing about who is a reach and who is not. Those opinions are made based on your own draft board which means nothing. Grading draft picks is flat out stupid and pointless.
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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 14 day(s) ago - hide
@PDH So which of the teams that Walt blasted do you root for?
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 19 day(s) ago - hide

If I say "I think that process server (seriously, why that name?) is an intelligent person with lots of interesting things to say," but can't point to a single statement to back that up (and I can't), then my opinion is unfounded

Nice try, but ultimately a swing and a miss.  I have told you repeatedly {but you have chosen to ignore it because it is inconvenient for your argument, or maybe you're the one that has Leonard Shelby syndrome and you need to start getting tattoos of what you've already said to remind yourself } that I have scouted and extensively looked at many other RB's and play makers to come to my decision.  Terrible analogy that's not the same thing as ranking players for the draft and thus doesn't really apply to what we were talking about and only satisfies you're innate need to criticize and angrily bash people.  But thanks for the complement!  Such a charming guy.

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 14 day(s) ago - hide

@royale with cheese 

Your quote above: "I have told you repeatedly {but you have chosen to ignore it because it is inconvenient for your argument, or maybe you're the one that has Leonard Shelby syndrome and you need to start getting tattoos of what you've already said to remind yourself } that I have scouted and extensively looked at many other RB's and play makers to come to my decision."

Two prior quotes:

"And I did know about Duke Johnson, and as a Browns fan I did some research on who are some of the better play makers in the draft (since the Browns really need one) and Duke Johnson I discovered was one of them."

"When I saw Duke Johnson I saw special speed and play making ability, not to mention his impressive stats (most rushing yards in Miami-FL history, which has a pretty rich history of running backs), and that told me all I needed to know and convinced me that he was one of the best play makers at RB in the draft."

In making a false argument, you changed "some" to "many." Also, you flat out admitted that all you needed to make a judgment on Johnson was HIS OWN TAPE, yet later claim to have scouted him against other playmakers when making your decision. You're incapable of keeping track of your own lies.

Here's what is happening. You were offended when I accurately pointed out that the "process server" act was really cheesy. You rejected my apology and became even more irate when I started with the Leonard Shelby references. I have repeatedly mocked your lack of intellect and wit, but do you blame me? You have contradicted yourself many times, trotted out an astonishing array of fallacious arguments, and have lifted some of my quotes nearly word for word (Leonard Shelby, not wanting me to agree with you, etc...) instead of coming up with your own clever dismissals. Initially I thought it was an act, but I no longer do. I think you're functionally incapable not only of following my arguments, but your own.

I'll offer you another apology because it is obvious that I have really hurt your feelings, but I know that it won't be accepted. Every new post from you stoops to new lows as far as logical inconsistency and plagiarism, and I don't expect the next to be any different. You can accept the apology and move on, or you can keep trying to dig yourself out of this hole. Please keep in mind that what I pasted above was not some distorted interpretation of what you said. Those are YOUR OWN WORDS. You only needed to see Johnson's tape to make your decision, but you scouted him against many backs before making your decision. Beautiful.

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DreBeast (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 16 day(s) ago - hide
Brandon Scherff is going to start at right tackle for the Skins, not guard. 
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 19 day(s) ago - hide

@process server 

Again, I've said multiple times that I have looked at and scouted other top running backs and play makers in the draft {no not everyone, but a lot of them, and Walt hasn't scouted everyone either } but you can stick to your straw man fallacy and pretend like I haven't looked up players or running backs at all so you can further placate your ego to feel better about yourself, it's more convenient for you and your argument.

since you keep resorting to bringing up something irrelevant to the argument like my bs anonymous name, like a tempter tantrum-throwing sore loser often does, I'll change it for ya.  It's a reference to my favorite movie.

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Nick Perry (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 20 day(s) ago - hide
Why would you be surprised the Packers took a CB under 6 feet tall? Take a look at the Corners the Packers have fielded the last several years, they're ALL under 6 feet tall. Rollins was a great pick for the Packers, Steelers fans are going to be screaming "Why didn't we take this guy instead of a midget!" 
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dude15 (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 20 day(s) ago - hide
@Uugh Dallas  I think you mean the next two years uless they sign a star FA qb
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Bearman (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 22 day(s) ago - hide
The Bills get a B-....  Really?  No 1st round pick.  Nick O'Leary a steal?  What am I missing?  Buffalo fans should start thinking about the 2016 draft.
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B- is generous (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 20 day(s) ago - hide

@Bearman 

That's actually a generous grade; most analysts gave them a C or so.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2459050-2015-nfl-draft-every-teams-best-value-selection

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Dallas fan (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 20 day(s) ago - hide
@Uugh Dallas  They didnt draft Collins. They pick him up in UDFA. Gotta grade fairly.
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Uugh Dallas (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 20 day(s) ago - hide
The winner of the draft is Dallas....by a mile. They drafted three 1st round draft picks this year including the best edge rusher in Gregory and arguably the best offensive linemen in Collins. I am not a happy guy giants guy. Dallas has set themselves up for a Super Bowl run for the next four years. Uuugggghhhh. 
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IssacH (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 23 day(s) ago - hide
Walt, your man-crush on Ozzie Newsome is just ridiculous. There's no reason to praise every single thing he does.
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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
3 month(s) 21 day(s) ago - hide

@IssacH He doesn't.

Back to you.

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