Live 2015 NFL Draft Grades

These Live 2015 NFL Draft Grades will be posted minutes after each pick in the 2015 NFL Draft. Follow @walterfootball for updates.

2015 NFL Draft Grades - Round: Picks 1-16 | Picks 17-32 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | Team Grades
  1. San Francisco 49ers: Arik Armstead, DE/DT, Oregon: C Grade
    Blegh. The 49ers' regression continues. I had Arik Armstead going to the 49ers in my 2015 NFL Mock Draft, but only because I heard that they liked him. I had Armstead slotted in the top half of the second round on numerous updates for a reason. He's a highly athletic player, but he's extremely raw, and definitely shouldn't be a first-round pick based on production. He has tremendous upside and could develop into a strong starter, so I won't give the 49ers a "D" or a "Millen," but this does not project as a quality choice.

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  2. Kansas City Chiefs: Marcus Peters, CB, Washington: C+ Grade
    Yikes, this could really backfire. Andy Reid visited Marcus Peters' hometown during the draft preseason to do some undercover work on the talented cornerback. I guess he liked what he saw, as Reid is taking a big gamble on a player who quit on his team. Peters definitely has the talent, as he would've been a top-10 pick had he been clean off the field, but this is a big gamble in the top 20.

  3. Cleveland Browns: Cameron Erving, C/G/OT: C- Grade
    Uhh... did the Browns forget that they have Alex Mack? Was this a byproduct of Ray Farmer's suspension, or was Farmer too busy texting to remember that Mack was still on the roster? Cameron Erving projected as a solid center, but he won't be able to play that position in Cleveland. So, where does he fit in? Right guard? Right tackle? Erving can start there, but those aren't ideal spots for him. Perhaps Farmer should've actually drafted a real right tackle.



  4. Philadelphia Eagles: Nelson Agholor, WR, USC: B- Grade
    Meh. Chip Kelly is familiar with Nelson Agholor, but perhaps he should begin scouting outside of the Pac-12. Agholor makes sense from a needs perspective, but this is a bit of a reach; I once had Agholor going to the Eagles at No. 20, but I ultimately slotted him in the second round. Agholor doesn't have the athleticism Kelly loves, so this selection surprises me a bit. Agholor, however, is versatile and should help on offense next season.

  5. Cincinnati Bengals: Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Texas A&M: C+ Grade
    This is a bit of a reach. Cedric Ogbuehi is coming off a torn ACL and wasn't very highly regarded; at least that's what teams we've spoken to told us. In fact, one franchise had him slotted in the third round, partly because of the injury. The good news is that Ogbuehi won't have to play this year; he'll take over at left tackle once Andrew Whitworth moves on. The bad news is that Ogbuehi won't be able to contribute this year, and Cincinnati needs talented players to help Andy Dalton take the next step.

  6. Pittsburgh Steelers: Alvin Dupree, DE/OLB, Kentucky: A+ Grade
    Wow, how does this continue to happen? It seems like every year, great prospects slip in the draft and fall into Pittsburgh's lap. I thought it was going to be Shane Ray or Randy Gregory, but it turned out to be another pass-rusher. Alvin Dupree was getting top-10 buzz prior to the draft. I thought that was a bit too high for him, but I figured the No. 13 spot was the right area for him. I thought the Saints would pick him when they were on the clock, but apparently not. Dupree has tremendous upside and should provide a big boost in terms of getting to the quarterback.



  7. Denver Broncos: Shane Ray, DE/OLB, Missouri: B+ Grade
    I stupidly dropped Shane Ray to the third round in the wake of his arrest, but I was told to slot him back into the first round. I ultimately had Ray going No. 22, so this is definitely the right range. Ray would've been a top-10 selection if it wasn't for his off-the-field issues, so Denver is getting a potential steal. Ray won't start right away, but he'll provide quality depth behind Von Miller and DeMarcus Ware and ultimately take over for the latter once he retires.

  8. Arizona Cardinals: D.J. Humphries, OT, Florida: B+ Grade
    I slotted D.J. Humphries to the Browns' 19th-overall pick in my mock draft, so this is a slight bargain. I thought Arizona would take Eric Kendricks or a tall cornerback like Byron Jones, but Humphries makes sense as well. Right tackle Bobby Massie was the one responsible for Carson Palmer's injury against the Rams, so Humphries should provide an upgrade at right tackle. The Cardinals need to do everything in their power to make sure Palmer is protected. They can't have Bruce Arians debating between Ryan Lindley and Logan Thomas in a playoff matchup again.

  9. Carolina Panthers: Shaq Thompson, LB/S, Washington: C+ Grade
    I had Shaq Thompson to the Panthers - in the second round. I only had him falliing that far because it was apparent that they really liked him. In fact, I slotted Thompson to the Panthers at No. 25 a few weeks ago, but ultimately thought that was a bit too early for him. The teams we spoke to agreed, as they had him as a second-round prospect. Having said that, this is a fine pick, as Thompson's versatility will definitely help Carolina's defense. He'll be able to play both safety and linebacker, depending on the situation.



  10. Baltimore Ravens: Breshad Perriman, WR, Central Florida: B Grade
    The media was talking about Breshad Perriman going as high as No. 14 or 15, which I thought was crazy. Perriman, while very athletic, was way too raw to be chosen that early. This, however, is the right spot for him; in fact, I had Perriman going to Baltimore a week ago before changing the selection on Tuesday. The need for Perriman is obvious; with Torrey Smith gone, Joe Flacco needed a deep threat across from Steve Smith.

  11. Dallas Cowboys: Byron Jones, CB, Connecticut: B+ Grade
    So much for the Cowboys picking Randy Gregory. Byron Jones makes a ton of sense. I had him going 20th overall to the Eagles, which I thought was a slight reach, so the 27th slot seems like the right area for him. He also fills a big need. Morris Claiborne has struggled, while Brandon Carr is overpaid. The Cowboys were desperate for corner help, and they landed an extremely athletic player as a probable upgrade.

  12. Detroit Lions: Laken Tomlinson, G, Duke: B+ Grade
    This is a slight reach - I thought the right area for Laken Tomlinson was the top half of the second round - but that's mitigated by the fact that the Lions moved down five spots and picked up some commodities in the process. That moves this grade from a "B" to a B+. I like Tomlinson as a prospect, as he projects as a solid guard. He fills a big need for the Lions, who struggled mightily to protect Matthew Stafford last year. Stafford has to love this pick.



  13. Indianapolis Colts: Phillip Dorsett, WR, Miami: C+ Grade
    How many receivers can you have? With T.Y. Hilton, Andre Johnson and Donte Moncrief on the roster, where will Phillip Dorsett fit in? The Colts should've nabbed an offensive lineman like Jake Fisher or a defensive back like Damarious Randall or Landon Collins. Dorsett is a fine prospect who fits the range, so I'm not exactly hating on this pick, but I just think the Colts should've gone in a different direction.

  14. Green Bay Packers: Damarious Randall, S, Arizona State: B- Grade
    Eric Kendricks and Denzel Perryman fell to the Packers' lap... and they pass on both for a second-round safety? The Randall love didn't make much sense to me - he's athletic, but as Jon Gruden noted, he struggles to tackle. However, I had him pegged as an early second-rounder, so this isn't a mega reach, or anything. I just think the Packers had better options at their disposal.

  15. New Orleans Saints: Stephone Anthony, ILB, Clemson: B- Grade
    Not Eric Kendricks? I had Stephone Anthony going to the Saints in the second round once upon a time, so I'd have to think this is a slight reach. However, there are some who believed that Anthony was the top inside linebacker in this class, so I'm not going to argue this too much. New Orleans obviously had a colossal need at inside linebacker because Curtis Lofton was terrible, so Anthony figures to be an upgrade.

  16. New England Patriots: Malcom Brown, DT, Texas: A- Grade
    I'm not as crazy about Malcom Brown as the ESPN analysts are, but there's no denying that he's at least a slight steal at No. 32. He was projected to go as high as No. 23 to the Lions, yet he dropped to the Patriots. Bill Belichick won't mind, as he'll be able to use Brown as a replacement for Vince Wilfork, who left for Houston this offseason.

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Cheifs guy (Anonymous Poster)
9 hour(s) 37 minute(s) ago - hide

A couple comments, regarding the KC Chiefs pick and the grading, at #18.  

Firstly, Andy Reid is indeed the head coach, but he is not responsible for player personnel.  You must assume Andy must be the guy.  This makes you look ignorant about the Chiefs organization.  The person responsible is the GM John Dorsey.  Sure, Andy has input, but the analysis don't even mention John.  

Secondly, look at the other guys in the draft this year and even those in the NFL with problems.  With the talent Peters brings, I don't really see that this pick is that big of a risk at pick #18.  At least no bigger a risk than other players that you rank higher and were picked higher and have shown they have major off the field problems.  Time will tell and I think you may have to eat some humble pie on your not so insightful comments.  Else, I will.   


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Cheifs guy (Anonymous Poster)
9 hour(s) 37 minute(s) ago - hide

A couple comments, regarding the KC Chiefs pick and the grading, at #18.  

Firstly, Andy Reid is indeed the head coach, but he is not responsible for player personnel.  You must assume Andy must be the guy.  This makes you look ignorant about the Chiefs organization.  The person responsible is the GM John Dorsey.  Sure, Andy has input, but the analysis don't even mention John.  

Secondly, look at the other guys in the draft this year and even those in the NFL with problems.  With the talent Peters brings, I don't really see that this pick is that big of a risk at pick #18.  At least no bigger a risk than other players that you rank higher and were picked higher and have shown they have major off the field problems.  Time will tell and I think you may have to eat some humble pie on your not so insightful comments.  Else, I will.   


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Cheifs guy (Anonymous Poster)
9 hour(s) 37 minute(s) ago - hide

A couple comments, regarding the KC Chiefs pick and the grading, at #18.  

Firstly, Andy Reid is indeed the head coach, but he is not responsible for player personnel.  You must assume Andy must be the guy.  This makes you look ignorant about the Chiefs organization.  The person responsible is the GM John Dorsey.  Sure, Andy has input, but the analysis don't even mention John.  

Secondly, look at the other guys in the draft this year and even those in the NFL with problems.  With the talent Peters brings, I don't really see that this pick is that big of a risk at pick #18.  At least no bigger a risk than other players that you rank higher and were picked higher and have shown they have major off the field problems.  Time will tell and I think you may have to eat some humble pie on your not so insightful comments.  Else, I will.   


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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 9 day(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

I guess there were more irrational and desperate comments you wanted to throw at me.  8 to be exact.

1. Yet again your ego never ceases to amaze me.  I say that because it is how I truly feel, and it has nothing to do with what you said.  But go ahead, keep on thinking that. I don't care, your so full of yourself you won't allow yourself to think anything else anyway.

2. As for you never calling out Walt for some occasional Steeler bashing, you don't even believe that, and it's obvious that you're lying.  You can call pointing out your hypocrisies "reaching" if you want, it only points more towards your inability to argue.

3. I called you a terrible person based on all the evidence, that's all.  When you act like a terrible person, you're going to be called that.  Change your general attitude then maybe people will stop calling you that.  Pretty simple.

4. Nice contradiction.  First you say you didn't call Walt under qualified, then in the very next sentence you say that he is not qualified?  Tell me, if he is not qualified {based on your flawed logic and incredible reach} then how is he not under qualified?  

5. Just proving me right about the "terrible person" remark that so obviously touched a nerve with you, probably because its not the first time you've been defined as such.  Classless bashing with witless remarks are not the acts of a good person.  A lot of the comments here are largely subjective and to be so disrespectful to basically everyone just speaks to your character.

6. LOL irrelevant.  It totally tears apart your argument, so naturally you would arbitrarily label it as "irrelevant."  It doesn't negate what I said at all.  Just because Johnson was one of the first backs I looked up it doesn't mean I looked up others afterwards.  Besides, I never said I I only looked up Johnson and nobody else.  All I said was after I saw him play I knew he would be one of the better ones, then after looking up an ample amount of others my belief was solidified.  So congrats on misquoting and being wrong.  Again.

7. Actually my first reply was 7 days ago to your comment that was 9 days ago, so nice lie.  I apologize for the hiatus of my last comment, I'm sure you've been awaiting eagerly for my response due to the alarmingly large amount free time you have.  I just wish I could see the look on your dopey little face as you sit there in anticipation lol.  Keep thinking about me!

8. I wasn't hurt at all by that comment, but if it helps your ego to tell yourself that you have that big of an influence on people who don't respect you at all {i.e. me} then go ahead, whom am I to get in the way of that.  I was just tired of you bringing that up to distract yourself from the verbal beat down I'm giving you {and you still bring it up! Amazing.}, so I decided to change pseudonyms in the hopes that you would stay relevant in regards to the argument, but I was foolish to think you would do that. 

There.  Served again.  I can only hope that this ignorant display is just a facade and you're only being this flagrantly ignorant and wrong because you are too full of yourself or proud {for some reason} to admit when you've been beat.  Keep on swinging and missing {OH a common expression, have you ever said that before?  If you did then I must be plagiarizing lol.  Please learn what plagiarizing means before you use it in an argument to prevent further embarrassment}.  And btw I will keep laughing at you!  That's the first correct thing you've said this whole time!

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Someone with a life (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 8 day(s) ago - hide
@royale with cheese Get a life!
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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
27 day(s) 7 hour(s) ago - hide

@royale with cheese Eww. Served again. I can't believe you're still at it with that humiliating gag. The returns have officially diminished to nothing, so this will be my last reply to you. It's obvious that you are simply not intelligent enough to debate on the simplest of subjects. You can't tell the difference between stating that someone is unqualified to make a specific statement and that someone is unqualified to do a job. Your problem, not mine. You don't know the meaning of the word "best." You can't see your own internal logical flaws when stating that you only need to see a player's film in isolation to say that he's one of the best playmakers available. You think plagiarism is simply the repeating of random words, rather than the wholesale theft of phrases (what a surprise, the "process server" doesn't have an education!).

Here's what it all comes down to: you were deeply hurt and embarrassed when I pointed out how absolutely stupid your "process server" gag was, refused two different apologies, and have gone off on several rants without a single original thought based on that initial hurt. I say this with complete sincerity: you are not a respectable person, you have not displayed a single shred of intellect, and you are a person of astonishing emotional fragility. Seek help. I'm done here.

And yes: I've dealt with enough trolls to understand how you've rigged the game. When someone replies, you claim victory because they're engaging with you. When they don't, you claim victory when the stop because clearly they must know they've lost. I know the drill. Do what you have to do. I wish you all the best with the limited capabilities and enormous fragilities you've been cursed with.

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Rational J (Anonymous Poster)
9 day(s) 10 hour(s) ago - hide
@Robert K  Girls aren't attracted to you, are they?
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
8 day(s) 20 hour(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

Thank you again Robert K.  The fact that you don't think I'm a respectable person must mean I am a pretty good guy.  Man I must have really got under your skin for you to throw that many insults at me without refuting any of my points at all.  Man I must have really pissed you off!  Take this as a lesson to never get into an argument with someone who is smarter than you, you'll just end up embarrassing yourself.  

Thanks for the laughs Robert K!  Hope you've learned from this verbal beat down I've been more than happy to give you!

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Vikes167 (Anonymous Poster)
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Did this guy just Clemmings could start at LT? it'd be a huge miracle, because he won't even be in competition/playing LT, rather he will be competing with David Yankey to play LG. Though I must say i am surprised, a lot of people aren't hating the Vikes class like they do every year. another thing, Don't doubt Bryce Petty, that was a brilliant pick by the Jets, he can develop into a solid starter
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Rational J (Anonymous Poster)
9 day(s) 10 hour(s) ago - hide
@Vikes167   Actually, you couldn't possibly be more wrong- Bryce Petty is Brandon Weeden 2.0 and will stink.
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ChuckD (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 12 day(s) ago - hide
You are such a Steeler homer! You contradict yourself consistently to give the Squelaers high draft grades, then give other teams like the Browns lower draft grades for VERY GOOD players! SMDH!! People who have been paid a lot more than you to evaluate NFL talent have graded the Browns Draft as the second best of the year, but you give them a C-.... That's comical; and totally kills your credibility! But Browns fans have known for years you have serious bias issues when it come to the AFC North in general; and specifically the Browns.
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Rational J (Anonymous Poster)
9 day(s) 10 hour(s) ago - hide
@ChuckD   Yes, yes- who could possibly take issue with anything the vaunted Browns front office does?  Things have gone so swimmingly for you these last 15 years!  But I'm sure THIS draft class (like every one before it this time of year) is going to turn things around for the downtrodden Clevelanders.  I imagine Cleveland is a real-life version of that city in the movie "Idiocracy".   
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Bengals Fan (Anonymous Poster)
2 month(s) 0 day(s) ago - hide
I think you overlooked some points when grading the Bengals. The biggest points being the missing players from last year due to injury and free agency. Eiffert and Marvin Jones missed almost the whole year and Green missed a lot of time near the end so just getting them back is a major boost to the offence. Also Geno was recovering, he under performed but there is reason to hope a whole off season of strengthening will change that and they now have Johnson back where he played awesome a couple years ago. These points are most likely why the Bengals didn't feel the need to burn draft picks at these positions but rather build in positions they had the luxury to upgrade. I appreciate your analysis it just seems like this rating is a little lazy. 
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Bengals Fan (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 2 day(s) ago - hide
@Bengals Fan Walt I would like to hear your opinion on this if you get the time.
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Rational J (Anonymous Poster)
9 day(s) 10 hour(s) ago - hide
@Bengals Fan  Clearly Walt DGAF what you think and pining for his approval is incredibly sad.
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 16 day(s) ago - hide

Also, perhaps u should choose to actually read my quotes that you chose.  In one quote I say some play makers, and the other quote i say many RB's.  Again, running backs and play makers are two totally different things, so yet another swing and a miss on your part.  Keep on reaching to make your "points" instead of admitting defeat. You don't take verbal beating very well do you? The least you could have done is look graceful in defeat, but you have failed at that as well.  Pity.

Any other irrational or desperate comments u want to throw at me?

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 16 day(s) ago - hide

@royale with cheese 

Because of your refusal to address my points in a rational manner, I'll just do this response as a numbered list. You should reply in the same manner in order to actually reply to all of them.

1. Is the "keep it up" and "thanks for the laughs!" a bit now? You've repeatedly ripped off those lines from me and just keep posting them. You can’t just call them common phrases, as you are lifting phrases word for word from my posts. Are you really incapable of crafting your own material?

2. I've never bashed Walt for hating on the Steelers. He is, in fact, frequently too light on them. I detested both the Colson and Coates picks (D- and F in my book, respectively) and thought he was way too light on the Mike Mitchell signing last year (also an F as far as I'm concerned). Don't bother looking for me complaining about Walt hating. That material does not exist. You were saying something about reaching?

3. I apologized (twice) for getting personal. I've bashed your intelligence multiple times due to overwhelming evidence that you don't have much going on upstairs, and you decide to get viciously personal and call me a "terrible person" because of some message board disagreements? That's just sad.7.

4. I didn't call Walt underqualified. I said he wasn't qualified to say who the BEST player in the draft was if he hadn't scouted them all. First, you reject the dictionary meaning of a term ("best") because it doesn't support your argument; you follow that up by strawmanning another of my posts in order to claim a victory you haven't earned. It failed...miserably.

5. "then why do you feel the compelling urge to bash people who disagree with him and "like" his analysis?"

I don't suffer fools gladly, nor do I pretend that their absurd beliefs have any grounds in reality. Given how I've responded to your posts, you should know that by now.

5. "Keep on thinking about me to an unhealthy extent and bring me some more of those "theories about me!  I love it!"

Theories like "you're a terrible person?" You were saying something in your post about hypocrisy?

6. "In one quote I say some play makers, and the other quote i say many RB's.”

Irrelevant. your post about watching Johnson's film and being convinced *without any other evidence* that he was one of the best playmakers in the draft negates what you subsequently said. You're trying to cover your tracks, and it is failing.

7. "I'm sure I can go back and dig up all the times u praise Walt and think his analysis is great, but I obviously don't have as much free time as you."

Yes, you do. Your first reply to my last post was (as of this post) 27 hours ago. You checked in 5 hours later, was dismayed to see I hadn't replied, and so wrote yet another one. You have plenty of free time.

8. "Keep on thinking of me and writing all those long posts, I enjoy living rent free inside your head!"

You were clearly very hurt when I insulted your lame "process server" character and got really vicious when I tried to apologize, so who is living rent free inside whose head?

But please, do tell me more about my long posts while writing 3 in reply. Do continue to steal my insults, and by all means, continue to pretend that you weren't insanely inconsistent in your evaluation of Johnson. You can keep laughing. At this point, I'm just sincerely sorry for the people in your life if this is how you function there. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that this is just a strange internet troll act (you're welcome).

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Someone with a life (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 8 day(s) ago - hide
@Robert K Get a life!
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 9 day(s) ago - hide
btw Robert K I accused you of being a troll, and now you do it to me!  OBVIOUSLY PLAGIARIZING!  I also said things like "assuming" and "keep on" before so you are OBVIOUSLY plagiarizing that too!  How dare you!
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process server (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 26 day(s) ago - hide
Not to mention Walt said that they didn't get a play maker, and Duke Johnson is CLEARLY one.  Anyone who watched him play at Miami knows he's a play maker at RB who specializes at catching the ball and getting in the open field, ala Darren Sproles.  I was really hoping the Browns drafted him if he was still there in the 3rd round; Cleveland could use a Darren Sproles type of player on offense.
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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 26 day(s) ago - hide
@process server Lots of players look good in college. The competition is inferior. Limas Sweed dominated in college; nobody would mistake him for a playmaker. It's all projection. That you saw a playmaker in Johnson does not mean he will be one. This is, again, an obvious observation. In fact, I'll just go ahead and call it the best in human history given your distorted definition of the term.
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process server (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 26 day(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

nitpick nitpick nitpick, man you continue to reach and reach after you've been beat instead of just manning up and admitting it.  Again, thanks for the laughs your ignorance really is mind boggling and amusing.

You are once again confusing OPINION with FACT.  It is my OPINION that Johnson is one of the better play makers at RB in the draft after looking up the other top RB's, and is going to be good.  No shi t just because he was really good in college doesn't necessarily mean he'll be good in the NFL, but it is my OPINION that he will be.  Do you understand the difference between opinion and fact now?  Were you sick that day of second grade when they taught that or did you just never get past that point in education?  Or will your terribly inflated and misplaced ego continue to think anybody who disagrees with your opinion is disagreeing with fact?  Thanks for the painfully obvious observation, what are you going to tell me next that 2+2=4?  Dude just stop, for your sake, you're embarrassing yourself.

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 25 day(s) ago - hide

@process server I'm not confusing opinion with fact. Your opinion is that Johnson is one of the best running backs in the draft. It is an unfounded statement, as you have admitted that you haven't extensively scouted the position. If I say "I think that process server (seriously, why that name?) is an intelligent person with lots of interesting things to say," but can't point to a single statement to back that up (and I can't), then my opinion is unfounded. Basic logic. I have not, in any way, confused opinion with fact. I have not distorted definitions based on narcissism (read the definition of best again very slowly), nor have I played the victim when someone accurately points out that I have no basis to reach a conclusion.

You like Johnson? Fine. You think he'll be a good player? No problem. You think he's one of the best playmakers in the draft when you haven't begun to look over the others is an unfounded opinion that would be trashed by any objective observer.

This is all what happened, and once again it took you over a week to finally discover the central point of my arguments. Wow. BTW, who has time to scout every player? I'm guessing you do while you're not reading literature, coming up with your own dismissive retorts, and accepting ribbons for being the "best" student despite performing in the lowest 10% of your class due to lack of effort and intelligence.

Keep petting those soft rabbits, and while you're at it consider tattooing the definition of best on your forearm. It may help.

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process server (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 24 day(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

Aright, go ahead, stick by your weak argument, since you clearly don't have the balls to admit you're wrong.  Keep on lashing out and taking personal shots, because, you know, that's not how a sore loser acts.  Keep on giving me those warm fuzzy feelings that someone like you doesn't agree with me.  Keep on making me laugh with those aggressively witless remarks, because I can tell you think you're being clever, and that really makes it funny!  Keep on telling yourself whatever you have to tell yourself to help you get through the day.

Keep on keeping on!  You're ignorance is bliss and never ceases to amaze me!  Maybe one day you'll be able to learn from this verbal beating I've given you over the past week, or just keep on living in ignorance, I don't care.

P.S., since Walt has not scouted every player in the draft {every year there are many prospects that go undrafted or are drafted late that he admittedly doesn't know how hasn't looked into}, using that logic that means he also doesn't now what he's talking about and he is "lying" lol.  I just hope it doesn't effect your relationship at all, I think you two make a great couple.

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 19 day(s) ago - hide

@process server It's amazing how you're not witty enough to come up with your own retorts. I called you out several times on blatantly lifting them from me, yet you continue to do it.

P.S. I didn't say that Walt was qualified to say who the best player in the draft is. The lying remark was directed specifically at you and not to the draft community in general. The number of straw man arguments (look it up) you have trotted out is staggering.

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Mr.B (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 12 day(s) ago - hide
@Robert K So Walt is right and the Browns fan base so look forward to a 1-15 year?
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 17 day(s) ago - hide

@ Robert K

I'm sure I can go back and dig up all the times u praise Walt and think his analysis is great, but I obviously don't have as much free time as you.  I'm sure there are times where you bash Walt for hating on your precious Steelers, just like these other "homer" fans do, yet you spew your classless hate at them.  Good job on being a hypocrite and a terrible person!  Although that is definitely not the first time someone has called you a terrible person, and it certainly won't be the last. If he is so under-qualified {according to your flawed logic} then why do you feel the compelling urge to bash people who disagree with him and "like" his analysis?  Keep on contradicting yourself kid, you never cease to amaze me! You really believe you're misguided theories and assumptions are true, its amazing!  I don't think I've ever witnessed an ego of this caliber that wasn't deserved in the slightest.  It's truly a humorous experience!  Keep on bringing it please!  Keep on thinking about me to an unhealthy extent and bring me some more of those "theories about me!  I love it!

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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 17 day(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

YES!  Keep it up please!  I love it when you keep on nitpicking and reaching and reaching.  It's a sign of defeat and the farther out you reach the better I feel!  Keep it coming!  Your ridiculous and over-analyzed "points" as you call them {that's so adorable} keep bringing me those warm fuzzy feelings!  Keep on thinking your the first one to use very general and common expressions and that I "plagiarized" you lol, your ego knows no bounds!  Keep on thinking of me and writing all those long posts, I enjoy living rent free inside your head!  and again thanks for the laughs!

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PDH (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 24 day(s) ago - hide
Draft grades are such BS. Not even coaches can exactly predict how their picks will turn out let alone "writers". I just love how they elaborate on why they give their grades on every team's draft class. Like player A was a reach or player B was a steal. No one knows anything until these guys get on the field. It just bugs me how these writers grade draft picks and determine which pick was a reach and not, like they now it all. I bet they haven't watched a second of tape on over half of those prospects and yet they have their opinions about every player. What makes you think you know about a prospect more than the actual team that drafts that prospect? You're telling me, you've put in more time in evaluating a prospect than any of these teams' coaches and GMs? Every team has its own draft board that is created based on their own system and schemes. Your opinion means nothing about who is a reach and who is not. Those opinions are made based on your own draft board which means nothing. Grading draft picks is flat out stupid and pointless.
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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 19 day(s) ago - hide
@PDH So which of the teams that Walt blasted do you root for?
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 24 day(s) ago - hide

If I say "I think that process server (seriously, why that name?) is an intelligent person with lots of interesting things to say," but can't point to a single statement to back that up (and I can't), then my opinion is unfounded

Nice try, but ultimately a swing and a miss.  I have told you repeatedly {but you have chosen to ignore it because it is inconvenient for your argument, or maybe you're the one that has Leonard Shelby syndrome and you need to start getting tattoos of what you've already said to remind yourself } that I have scouted and extensively looked at many other RB's and play makers to come to my decision.  Terrible analogy that's not the same thing as ranking players for the draft and thus doesn't really apply to what we were talking about and only satisfies you're innate need to criticize and angrily bash people.  But thanks for the complement!  Such a charming guy.

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 19 day(s) ago - hide

@royale with cheese 

Your quote above: "I have told you repeatedly {but you have chosen to ignore it because it is inconvenient for your argument, or maybe you're the one that has Leonard Shelby syndrome and you need to start getting tattoos of what you've already said to remind yourself } that I have scouted and extensively looked at many other RB's and play makers to come to my decision."

Two prior quotes:

"And I did know about Duke Johnson, and as a Browns fan I did some research on who are some of the better play makers in the draft (since the Browns really need one) and Duke Johnson I discovered was one of them."

"When I saw Duke Johnson I saw special speed and play making ability, not to mention his impressive stats (most rushing yards in Miami-FL history, which has a pretty rich history of running backs), and that told me all I needed to know and convinced me that he was one of the best play makers at RB in the draft."

In making a false argument, you changed "some" to "many." Also, you flat out admitted that all you needed to make a judgment on Johnson was HIS OWN TAPE, yet later claim to have scouted him against other playmakers when making your decision. You're incapable of keeping track of your own lies.

Here's what is happening. You were offended when I accurately pointed out that the "process server" act was really cheesy. You rejected my apology and became even more irate when I started with the Leonard Shelby references. I have repeatedly mocked your lack of intellect and wit, but do you blame me? You have contradicted yourself many times, trotted out an astonishing array of fallacious arguments, and have lifted some of my quotes nearly word for word (Leonard Shelby, not wanting me to agree with you, etc...) instead of coming up with your own clever dismissals. Initially I thought it was an act, but I no longer do. I think you're functionally incapable not only of following my arguments, but your own.

I'll offer you another apology because it is obvious that I have really hurt your feelings, but I know that it won't be accepted. Every new post from you stoops to new lows as far as logical inconsistency and plagiarism, and I don't expect the next to be any different. You can accept the apology and move on, or you can keep trying to dig yourself out of this hole. Please keep in mind that what I pasted above was not some distorted interpretation of what you said. Those are YOUR OWN WORDS. You only needed to see Johnson's tape to make your decision, but you scouted him against many backs before making your decision. Beautiful.

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DreBeast (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 20 day(s) ago - hide
Brandon Scherff is going to start at right tackle for the Skins, not guard. 
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royale with cheese (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 24 day(s) ago - hide

@process server 

Again, I've said multiple times that I have looked at and scouted other top running backs and play makers in the draft {no not everyone, but a lot of them, and Walt hasn't scouted everyone either } but you can stick to your straw man fallacy and pretend like I haven't looked up players or running backs at all so you can further placate your ego to feel better about yourself, it's more convenient for you and your argument.

since you keep resorting to bringing up something irrelevant to the argument like my bs anonymous name, like a tempter tantrum-throwing sore loser often does, I'll change it for ya.  It's a reference to my favorite movie.

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Nick Perry (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 24 day(s) ago - hide
Why would you be surprised the Packers took a CB under 6 feet tall? Take a look at the Corners the Packers have fielded the last several years, they're ALL under 6 feet tall. Rollins was a great pick for the Packers, Steelers fans are going to be screaming "Why didn't we take this guy instead of a midget!" 
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dude15 (Anonymous Poster)
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@Uugh Dallas  I think you mean the next two years uless they sign a star FA qb
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Bearman (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 26 day(s) ago - hide
The Bills get a B-....  Really?  No 1st round pick.  Nick O'Leary a steal?  What am I missing?  Buffalo fans should start thinking about the 2016 draft.
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B- is generous (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 24 day(s) ago - hide

@Bearman 

That's actually a generous grade; most analysts gave them a C or so.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2459050-2015-nfl-draft-every-teams-best-value-selection

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Dallas fan (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 25 day(s) ago - hide
@Uugh Dallas  They didnt draft Collins. They pick him up in UDFA. Gotta grade fairly.
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Uugh Dallas (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 25 day(s) ago - hide
The winner of the draft is Dallas....by a mile. They drafted three 1st round draft picks this year including the best edge rusher in Gregory and arguably the best offensive linemen in Collins. I am not a happy guy giants guy. Dallas has set themselves up for a Super Bowl run for the next four years. Uuugggghhhh. 
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IssacH (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 27 day(s) ago - hide
Walt, your man-crush on Ozzie Newsome is just ridiculous. There's no reason to praise every single thing he does.
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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 25 day(s) ago - hide

@IssacH He doesn't.

Back to you.

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 26 day(s) ago - hide

@process server The definition of best, according to Merriam-Webster: "better than all others in quality or value."

Better than ALL OTHERS. So yes, if you're defining a population as all players eligible for the NFL Draft, you must scout them all in order to be intellectually honest in calling one of them the best. The same holds true for running backs.

This has been the crux of all my arguments since I started posting here. If you want to say a player is promising, fine. If you want to say he looks good on tape, fine. If you want to say he's the best (or one of the best), you must scout everyone. Your lack of time or effort is irrelevant to the discussion, and it is narcissistic to assume that you shouldn't have to put in the effort before making a blanket statement that you can't support.

I don't understand what issue you have with this. People here are mouthing off all the time about the best when it is as clear as day that they have no evidence to say so. Seriously, what's the problem here? You can't redefine a term simply because it isn't convenient for your argument.

Finally, I can't believe you had your "aha!" moment over a week after we started going back and forth. Congratulations!

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process server (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 26 day(s) ago - hide

@Robert K 

If that's really the best remaining argument you have, if you have to reach THAT far then I just take it as your way of saying you got beat.  Although it would have been far less embarrassing to just admit you were wrong instead of rolling out that weak as argument.  

So say I scouted Todd Gurley but didn't scout some division 2 player who was eligible for the draft and was a projected 7th round draft pick at the highest, would I be lying if I said Gurley was the better player?  Would I be lying if my OPINION was that Gurley was the best RB even though I didn't extensively scout some scrub RB?

LOL get the @#$@ out of here man.   Such a sorry argument and such a pathetic reach on your part.  Thanks again for the laughs though I'm busting a gut over here!

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Robert K (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 26 day(s) ago - hide

@process server It's not a reach. It's a fact. To be called the best, you have to be better than everyone. To determine that someone is the best, you have to scout the rest of the argument. Rage against that all you want. You're wrong.

"Would I be lying if my OPINION was that Gurley was the best RB even though I didn't extensively scout some scrub RB?"

As long as you say something to the effect of "I haven't actually looked at said scrub and am simply basing my statement on the opinions of others," than no, you're not lying. Otherwise, yes, you are.

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Ender (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 27 day(s) ago - hide
With the Cowboys signing Collins can you just go ahead and upgrade their draft grade to a A/A+.  3 first round talents with 1 first round pick... they got some major steals
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KILLER (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 27 day(s) ago - hide

@Ender 

If Gregory can gain weight and stays out of trouble he is a Top 10 level player.  I thought Byron Jones was the #2 CB after Trae Waynes.  So, really, a Top 20 level pick.  Collins a major steal -- a 1st rounder at low cost as well.  Including free agents like Collins the only draft comparable would be the Vikings.  In my view they also got 3 first rounders despite only having one round 1 pick.  Waynes is a Top 10er.  T.J. Clemmings and Daneille Hunter I had as late 1st rounders.  I know most do not agree about Hunter but he is only 20 and his athleticism is comparable to Ziggy Ansah or Jedeveon Clowney.  He led the SEC in tackles on or behind the line of scrimmage.  Most had Kendricks as a 1st rounder, I did not.  One could argue the Vikings got 4 first rounders then.

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skinsfan (Anonymous Poster)
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@KILLER if Gregory can gain weight? He's a pot head to begin with... what happened to the munchies? Wait till he gets million dollar paychecks... coke anyone? Whenever hes on the field run the ball down his throat and knock him on his ass in a haze of pot smoke! HTTR
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Ender (Anonymous Poster)
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@skinsfan Poor Redskins... 3 first round picks going to 1 guy... who will probably be a backup this year
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process server (Anonymous Poster)
1 month(s) 26 day(s) ago - hide

@ Robert K

I would just like to thank you, because you inability to admit when your wrong is really amusing and it has provided me with a lot of laughs, so thank you.

I was gonna let it go, but I can tell you think you're being smart with your comment so let me knock you down a peg. Using your logic, in order to know a player like Jameis Winston is one of the best overall players in the draft, you would have to scout EVERY other player in the draft, so naturally if you think that your "lying" right?  Because who outside of Mel Kiper Jr. actually has the time for that?  Do you see the flaws in your logic?  If you think someone like Amari Cooper is the best WR in the draft, according to your logic you would have to look up EVERY WR in the draft and if you didn't do that then you're "lying" lol.   

When I saw Duke Johnson I saw special speed and play making ability, not to mention his impressive stats (most rushing yards in Miami-FL history, which has a pretty rich history of running backs), and that told me all I needed to know and convinced me that he was one of the best play makers at RB in the draft. Not quite as good as guys like Gurley or Gordon, but really good and one of the better ones, and most draft experts agree with me.  That retort was an incredible reach on your part, even for you.

But if it's easier and helps your ego to tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself, then hey, who am I to get in the way of your self-satisfaction, however deluded and wrong it may be.

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