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2012 NFL Scouting Combine: Weigh-In Recap

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2012 NFL Combine: Weigh-In Recap - Quarterbacks

  • The favorite to be the No. 1 pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck was right on point with his listed measurements as Luck checked in at 6-foot-4, 234-pounds. He has a prototype frame and good hand size at 10 inches. Luck has nothing to gain by throwing at the Combine, so its understandable that he will wait until his Pro Day.

  • There were some that openly wondered if Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III was as tall as he was billed. Baylor listed Griffin at 6-foot-2, 220-pounds. Griffin hit those numbers as he was officially 6-foot-2 3/8 and 223 pounds. Any worries that Griffin was going to have a height issue were laid to rest. Griffin won't throw at the Combine, but he will do the athletic tests. He is a fantastic athlete who aims to run faster than 4.5 seconds in the 40-yard dash

  • Another potential first-round quarterback that teams won't get a complete look at is Texas A&M's Ryan Tannehill. ESPN's Pat Yasinskas reported about 10 days ago that Tannehill would not participate in the on field drills, as he is still working his way back from foot surgery. Tannehill (6-4, 221) is expected to be 100 percent soon, and will work out for teams before the NFL Draft. One negative that was exposed in the combine weigh in was that he tied for the smallest hands of any of the quarterbacks (9 inches).

  • Michigan State quarterback Kirk Cousins (6-3, 214) was a little taller and heavier than his Senior Bowl measurements (6-2, 209). Cousins has his fans in the scouting community along with plenty of detractors. A strong Combine could help his argument to be the fourth quarterback selected.

  • Arizona State quarterback Brock Osweiler (6-7, 242) was an inch shorter than his listed measurements. The mobile and strong-armed Osweiler is a former basketball player who should fair well in the on field drills. He could use the Combine to continue building his draft stock for the second day.

  • A quarterback who has always passed the eyeball test is Arizona's Nick Foles. He showed that again at 6-foot-5, 243-pounds. He also had the biggest hands of any signal-caller at the Combine with a measurement of 10 5/8. There is no doubt that Foles has all the physical tools and should look good throwing on Sunday. Foles is going to need to impress teams in the interviews with his knowledge of the game.

  • Similar to Foles, Oklahoma State quarterback Brandon Weeden passes the eyeball test at 6-foot-4, 221-pounds. Weeden has a strong arm and could impress while throwing in Indianapolis.

  • Boise State quarterback Kellen Moore (6-0, 197) just doesn't have the size to be an NFL starter. His arm strength comes up short as well. Despite a terrific college career, he looks like a late-rounder and career backup.

  • Another undersized backup candidate is Houston's Case Keenum. He had a prolific collegiate career and wrote his name in the record books, but Keenum (6-1, 208) doesn't have the size to be a starter in the NFL. He could be worth a late-round pick in hopes that he bucks the trend.

  • Wisconsin quarterback Russell Wilson grew a half inch from the Senior Bowl. In Mobile, Wilson was 5-foot-10 and a half. In Indianapolis Wilson was 5-foot-11, 204-pounds. Wilson is a great athlete with a strong arm but doesn't have the stature to be a starter in the NFL. Some teams could consider him as a Wildcat quarterback with a package of plays in the offense. Surprisingly, Wilson's hands (10 1/4) were bigger than all but three quarterbacks.

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    Quincy_the_Sheep 02-27-2012 05:23 pm (total posts: 2)
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    @ Drew Brees. Although I agree with you... Trent Dilfer? Brad Johnson?
    I love Kellen Moore; he wins. But put a wall up that's six inches taller than you, step eight yards back, and let me know if you can see somebody about your height on the other side of the wall. And don't stand on a hill. Granted, Kellen Moore could probably hit receivers with his eyes closed, but is that really a great idea if Ed Reed is somewhere on the other side of the wall?
    @Jkers, one must first have the requisite physical tools to have a system built around them. And even though Kellen Moore gets the ball out early, any safety playing centerfield is going to have extra time to drive on the ball and pick it off.
    Drew brees 02-27-2012 03:42 pm (total posts: 4)
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    If a QB doesn't have the arm strength to fit the ball into NFL windows he doesn't have the arm strength to fit the ball into NFL windows. Kellen Moore could be the smartest QB in history and he'd still be terrible because there is zero zip on his passes.

    Yes the WCO uses timing routes, you still need to have the arm strength and accuracy to fit the ball between defenders though. You're basically saying an NFL team should design their offense around hiding the fact that their QB is, at best, a game manager. How many game managers have won the Super Bowl lately?
    Drew Brees 02-27-2012 03:33 pm (total posts: 4)
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    You're underestimating the effect that an extra two inches has. There'd be no way of knowing how a Brady or a Manning would perform if they were 6 foot because it completely alters how you play the position.

    Brady and Manning(both of them) are pocket passers who prefer to stay in one spot and throw. Brees can't do that because of his size, so he needs to move around constantly in the pocket so he can see his receivers down field. While Brady and Manning only need to focus on the incoming pressure and defensive backs Brees has to do that in addition to constantly moving around the pocket. It may seem like a small thing, but with how quickly NFL D-lineman can get up field it makes everything much more difficult.

    Yes it is possible to be 6 foot and make it as an NFL QB. The odds of that happening are so amazingly low though that it's not worth it to gamble on a short QB who isn't amazing across the board. There isn't a QB like that in this draft class.

    Kellen Moore has the physical talent of Colt Brennan, Case Keenum is astoundingly average in every facet of his game and played in a loopy system that any QB would put up great numbers in, and Russell Wilson is a one year wonder with accuracy issues who's even shorter than Drew Brees.
    Jkres 02-27-2012 03:45 am (total posts: 1)
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    Look some players make it to the nfl because of pure atheliticism so why can't a guy who's wicked smart at understanding playbooks and dissecting defenses make it. If john fox can make an offense for tebow then I'm pretty sure someone can create a offense that has a run first mindset then a pass game based on timing routes( o wait isn't that the west coast offense???)
    Although, 02-27-2012 03:42 am (total posts: 4)
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    I do understand your point, and I agree that tall quarterbacks, in general, are much more successful. All I'm trying to say is that a prospect shouldn't be written off solely based on their height if they are still a talented passer a la Brees. Obviously, Moore and Russell aren't on that level.
    Haha 02-27-2012 03:32 am (total posts: 4)
    17     16

    I'm not saying that short QBs should be all the jazz. All that I'm saying is that height is not the SOLE determining factor on the success of quarterbacks, while it does have a factor, like you said. I did not solely reference Brees, and listed several other successful short quarterbacks. Obviously, the track record for tall quarterbacks is a lot greater, but do you think that Tom Brady or Manning or other elite quarterbacks wouldn't be any good if they were shorter? It'd probably impact them some, but they would still be above average quarterbacks. You should probably rein in that temper of yours.

    Drew Brees 02-27-2012 03:22 am (total posts: 4)
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    It's a fact that NFL players across the board were shorter even 10 years ago. Hence the reason I said in the last decade.

    Short QBs have a harder time seeing over defensive lineman and because of this struggle much more than their taller counterparts. This is a fact.

    The only QBs to have any great success (Flutie was never a great QB) were Michael Vick(a once in a century prospect who is/was only good due to his rushing ability) and Drew Brees who is an anomaly and a massive outlier.

    If height wasn't a major issue then there wouldn't be such an enormously small number of successful 6 foot or under QBs in the modern NFL. Saying "well Drew Brees is both short and a great QB" means nothing and is the first thing every idiot says when defending short QB prospects.

    By the way, real cute thumbing up your own comment 200 times.
    Lol 02-27-2012 03:02 am (total posts: 4)
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    Drew Brees just proves that it can be done. The only thing that is being defended is that height alone should not be a quantifier in whether or not you could be a successful NFL quarterback. In the case of Moore and Wilson, it is not their HEIGHTS that are keeping them from being elite prospects. They have other aspects of their games that need refining.

    And in response to Bob and Brees,

    For every short quarterback prospect to not make the league, I can match you three 6'3 and above quarterbacks to not make it in the league. Go ahead. Make me a list. It'll take a while.


    Hrm...well, not in the last decade per say, but here are some short QB's (6'0 and under) that did pretty well for themselves

    Y.A. Tittle (HOF)
    Fran Tarkenton (HOF)
    Jack Shapiro
    Sonny Jurgenson
    Eddie LeBaron
    Joe Theismann
    Jeff Blake

    But since we're talking about people who don't know anything about football here...
    Drew Brees 02-27-2012 01:14 am (total posts: 4)
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    If you bring up Drew Brees or Doug Flutie in defense of short QBs then all you're doing is proving you have a complete lack of NFL football knowledge.

    Ever heard of the exception that proves the rule? For every Drew Brees or Michael Vick there'll be 20 Troy Smith's or Chase Danial's who do nothing in the NFL. You're actually hurting your argument when you do that because Brees and Vick are literally the only QBs under 6'2 to do anything of note in the past decade.
    Quincy_the_Sheep 02-26-2012 11:49 pm (total posts: 2)
    21     18

    How did RG3 just now quantify his speed? you don't think his 400 times as a Track guy do that? As my recently fired high school track coach used to say, "If you wanna play football, you gotta run the Foh-hundred. If you wanna run the two-mile, run the Foh-hundred. If you wanna be a loyyah, run the Foh-hundred. If you wanna..."
    The 400 does quantify the kind of speed you want in the NFL, as a KR or anyone that's going to make more than two cuts. It shows speed with power and stamina, with the ability to kick into another gear if you're at the elite-ish level.
    In the case of Keenum and Moore... Have you seen Jason Pierre-Paul knock down any passes lately? He might be in the direct path of a short slant, and if you can't get the ball over his hands and into the WR, that's an incompletion. Now, Moore compensates for his height and lack of arm strength by being incredibly accurate, throwing receivers open, and getting the ball out faster. In a way, his throws are the antithesis of Tebow's; they'll hit the receiver in the same spot, but Moore has the ball out of his hands maybe a half second earlier via a combination of anticipation and a quick release.
    If his arm strength improves, he really could be the next Drew Brees style player. And may the record reflect that Brees operates a system that is tailored to his strengths and physical limitations, hence why he was relatively unsuccessful (See, Kobe System), until he met Mr. Payton.
    ledskynyrd318 02-25-2012 09:36 am (total posts: 1)
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    Keenum and Moore don't have the size to start in the NFL (6'1'', 208). Tell that to Drew Brees and Michael Vick (6'0'' and 6'0'' respectively)
    Dc 02-25-2012 09:16 am (total posts: 1)
    15     22

    How are the players measured, shoes on?
    Johnny 02-25-2012 06:17 am (total posts: 2)
    23     28

    Btw. Nick Foles, Napoleon Dynamite, there's a real similarity...
    Johnny 02-25-2012 06:15 am (total posts: 2)
    41     29

    Weren't they saying similar stuff about Drew Brees like Kellen Moore now, and all I know is that both of those guys can throw the ball and read defenses REALLY well.
    GTFO 02-24-2012 10:30 pm (total posts: 1)
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    you're telling me if peyton manning was 6'0'', he still wouldn't be one of the best QB's to ever play the game?

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