In last week's Conspiracy Theorists Jerks of the Week entry, three comment posters had an interesting argument about some sort of Russian conspiracy. I was asked to post their conversation on one page, so here it is:
AdAm C: There'S no way you can trust a government that has Lied so often. It is only the Independant Hackers and Net Detectives that have any Real interest in telling the Truth. They are like the New Reporters of the world. They aren't controlled by political parties or corporate sponsors. Wikileaks has yet to report this but it will soon come out.
There is an old Russain document from their secret police that states that the media in the west ie. Europe and the Americas as well as several industries (Oil, Computers and Banking to name a few) are and have been for several decades controlled by a global network roughly translated from Russian as The Protocals of the Elders. These documents are soon to be open to the public for us all to read although written in Russian. Titled "IIporpama 3aboeBaHNR MNpa eBpeRMN"
These documents are reported to reveal names of prominent politicians and businessmen as well as many former Russian spies now living in the US. Reportedly several of them in Philidelphia. It seems it is the very media through which we get our information from that is about to be exposed and of course this is why you haven't heard much if any of this from the news or in the papers. This document has beeen proven to exhist and it is just a matter of time before all heck brakes loose as names start to surface.
Here are some of the names of some of the spies the now disassembled KGB agent Pavel Chesnokov released in these document Mikhail Glinka, Vasily Kalinnikov, Reinhold Gliere, Mily Balakirev, Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov, Alexander Kopylov, Mikhail Glinka, Alexander Dargomyzhsky, Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky, Sergei Taneyev, and Victor Ewald.
Jay: Adam, I did a quick Google search of those Russian "spies" currently living in the United States. Here is what I found:
Mikhail Glinka - Music composer who died in 1857
Vasily Kalinnikov- Music composer who died in 1901
Reinhold Gliere- Music composer who died in 1956
Mily Balakirev- Music composer who died in 1910
Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov- Music composer who died in 1908
Alexander Kopylov- Music composer who died in 1911
Alexander Dargomyzhsky- Music composer who died in 1869
Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky- Music composer who died in 1893
Sergei Taneyev- Music composer who died in 1915.
Victor Ewald- Music composer who died in 1935.
You, sir, are a complete buffoon. The names you listed were not spies. They are DEAD music composers. We have a lot of threats in this country but I don't think dead music composers are one of them (unless of course they have come back as zombies. i smell another conspiracy). Instead of calling the Government liars and us "sheeple" for believing it, why don't you do some research on this "list of spies" you supposedly know about.
AdAm C: You should know that all Russian spies change their names legally to those of Russian composers (It's where the show "The Saint" got the idea of saint names for their spies) for security reasons. I have it on good authority from the Associate Director of the Russian Embassy Nikolai Fadeyechev that those where the names they went by and obviously they use more American names now and it will take more to identify them than that considering they are being protected by OUR government. Their true Russian names are probably known only to their moms and them.
The IIporpama 3aboeBaHNR MNpa eBpeRMN documents will surface soon and you'll soon realise where the REAL truth lies my freind. Where will your beloved CNN and CNBC be then once you realise they are the true SHEEP and you are just a bunch of fools with the WOOL pulled over your eyes. Mr. Fadeyechev did name one name that he says is the name of the head of the spy ring and that his name is his true birth name. That is their leader Uri Durak. That's no Composer my freind.
Amanda: That's pretty brilliant, Adam. Am surprised you should know about this stuff since while working at the Russian embassy in India, I had come across much similar information that goes along the lines of what you mention. At one time it was classified information, and am surprised that they are in fact disclosing such info to the public.
Jay: Hey Adam, by using another simple Google search, I learned that Nikolai Fadeyechev is in fact a Russian dancer in Balets. Well, not anymore because he is 78 years old. Now he is a balet insructor. I always thought terrorists, foreign countries, or these alien squirrels were the biggest threats to our Nation's security. Now I have to worry about Russian Zombie Composers and 80-year-old balet dancers too?
Also, if you go the the official website of the Russian Embassy to the United States, there is nobody by the name of Nikolai Fadeyechev on their Diplomat list. You would think someone with a position as important as the "Associate Director of the Russian Embassy" would be listed somewhere on their website. Just admit it. You are either extremely insane, extremely guillible, or just a flat out liar. My guess is a little of all three.
AdAm C: Jay, I assure you that I am not crazy or a fool and I'm no more a lier than you or Walt. I'm sorry, I misspelled the Assoc. Dir. name. It is actually Makkoli Fadeyechev. That was truly my bad as I was trying to get the correct spelling through googling it and I got the wrong guy. As far as not finding his name I'm sure if Amanda returns she could help us get down to that mystery but I'm sure there's alot of people not listed on the Embassy's website that hold important positions.
Why must you be so closed minded about this Jay? As you can see I'm not the only one who has heard about this. Your best sources are googling pages up. Mine are actual PEOPLE. Don't you think that's just a little more credible??? The least you can do is give me the benifit of the doubt instead of insulting me repeatedly. This is what the media and government does to people. It makes them not think of the actual human beings they are hurting by their ignorance and ridicule. It makes an otherwise decent person into a bully. No Jay you're not a sheep. You're a bull pushing away anything that disagrees with your happy little view of the world. Try to have an open mind man. May peace be with you my freind.
Jay: Adam, I did exactly what you asked me to do, which is research. Every name you gave was either a composer or a balet dancer so yeah, I question the credibility of your people. A lot of people do believe the World Trade Center collapse was an inside job. That doesn't make it true. I've read multiple articles that debunk all the theories that say it is impossible for a plane to bring down a building like that. By the way, there isn't anyone by the name of Makkoli Fadeyechev on the Embassy website either. Once again, the Associate Director of the Russian Embassy sounds like a pretty important position. You would think his name would be listed.
AdAm C: Jay, Let's not talk of 9/11. It's clearly a sensitive issue and it's beside the point. I don't believe I asked you to google the names as you must realise just because you found it on the net doesn't mean it's true. Especially in light of these documents of the Protocol of the Elders which show that most media in western coulture has been manipulated by this group for over 100 years now. Your relying on the very thing that is manipulating our citizens into zombie slaves. I am only trying to help you Jay.
Jay: Protocol of the Elders???? I'm pretty sure that is that is the name of an antisemitic book used by Adolph Hitler to convince Nazi germany that Jews were evil and trying to take over the world. Now if you know of a different Protocol of the Elders, I've never heard of it. But you have to realize how ridiculous you sound. You give names of Russian spies that actually turned out to be composers. You give the name of the Associate Director of the Russian embassy and he turns out to be a balet dancer. Then you say you misspelled his name, but the "correct" name you gave me didn't exist either. Now you mention documnets called the Protocol of the Elders about a "group" that has been manipulating Western media for a century. A Russian paper used by Hitler that said jews were trying to take over the world used the same name.
I think I finally understand. You aren't stupid or insane. You are a antisemitic nazi who believes the Jews are manipulating the media to help the Government lie to the American people.
Jay: The link is to a Russian Wikipedia article about satire... Are you trying to say this entire time you were being satirical and you don't actually believe the crap you were typing? I find that hard to believe.
Kallstrom: Jay, are you to have us believe that you're actually argueing with a guy who takes the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a legitemate source of information? Even though it's possibly the most discredited text in human history? You're actually arguing with a guy who believes in it, even though the only people in the world who believe in it are already staunchly anti-semitic? Do you think you're really going to win in an arguement with somebody who'd rather take the word of that nonsense over the fact that every media conglomerate in the world is owned and run by non-Jews like Rupert Murdoch, thereby showing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion to be the racist drivel that it truly is?
I don't know why you're bothering mate. You'd have better luck convincing the Crab People that humans are alright.
When absolutely and shut up make some picks against the spread and have some intelligent picks, be it college or pro, let us know. Otherwise shut up can keep feeling important that he has learned how to swear from grown ups and gets periodic visits while he tries to integrate ( big word for you I know, look it up) into society from people like absolutely to help him with his fragile mental state,